All 5 Brit nominees for Artist of the year (Gener neutral) are……..

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Men………Quelle Surprise

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/21025033/harry-styles-leads-brit-award-nominations-2023/

Lets hope this embarrassing episode will make any other body who are thinking of following the BRITs, think again!

No no. We need more embarrassment. Please may we have 50% men; born male, 24% non binary born male, 25% transwomen and 1% non binary born female. Buy by then the ideology might be so entrenched it would look like a choices based on the better performers. Definitely no reason why women only categories were needed. No siree. We are so modern we've evolved past it snd the male bias is now just natural selection.

We al know that Owen jones knows exactly what a woman is and will not be using a transwoman to be his surrogate. 🤮

Go woke, women go broke.

The Brit Awards are essentially a publicity vehicle, there were raised eyebrows when you went from 10 artists (5 men, 5 women) down to a mixed sex category of 5.

Ditching the separate categories now means that women (who receive less exposure in the industry) miss out on the exposure these awards give. It gave them a platform.

Yes this. It goes both ways too with either gender bias that uneven nominations do. Adele won last year so no Best Male.

5 mixed sex nominations doesn't provide the showcase of the previous categories which gave 10. It's hardly a great PR move for the industry.

I suppose they could have maybe 8 or 10 nominations with no more than half from any category (male, female, pretending to be neither or opposite to reality nb/trans identified) if they really want to persist with this stupidity.

I've seen young women connected to the music industry talking on Instagram about this with the hashtag #wherearethewomen. They don't connect the rise in gender ideology with this outcome, at all!

I don't know exactly whose idea it was to have just 'artist' and not male and female categories, or whether it was men, women, or both who decided it, but the whole idea has bit them on the arse hasn't it? (AND massively fucked over women of course!)

It's a stupid idea and a stupid concept to have 'artist' of the year, and not have male and female. Probably dreamt up by the same plonker who decided actresses should be called ACTORS now. I still call them actresses, and always will.

“Probably dreamt up by the same plonker who decided actresses should be called ACTORS now. I still call them actresses, and always will.”

I was told that the revolt against ‘actress’ stemmed from its association with ‘prostitute’. Even in the 1950s, ‘actress and model’ was a bit of a euphemism for ‘will sleep with anyone if they’re rich enough’. Saying ‘actor’ was a way of saying you weren’t planning on sleeping your way to success.

The sad thing is that we had a few years of our trade being unassociated with the sex trade - and now films and TV want loads of largely unnecessary simulated sex scenes. Sometimes not so simulated, which is seen as ‘brave and stunning’ instead of ‘sleazy’.

I’ve always suspected it’s internalised misogyny that propelled the change from actress to actor. You don’t see waitresses demanding to be called waiters, but there’s less virtue signalling in catering.

Blaming ‘internalised misogyny’ sounds like classic DARVO, to be honest.

My exact words.

still, at least that Sam Smith fella is happy

They are called servers elsewhere so yes you do.

The expected chances of all 5 being male are just over 3% or 1/32. Great odds.

Fancy that rules change because a male isn’t happy then females get totally ignored

I laughed when I first read this not because it’s funny, it isn’t but it was so predictable

To be honest, its messed up in any case - even if you go back to best male & best female categories - you can end up with 5 males in the female category.

Ladbaby didn't even get a mention again despite having another Christmas number one - wasn't even invited to the show.

Tinysoxxx
The expected chances of all 5 being male are just over 3% or 1/32. Great odds.

How are those odds worked out?

It’s the same probability of throwing 5 heads in a heads and tails coin toss. GCSE maths.

If men and women were rewarded with a nomination equally then the probability of the first nomination being a man would be 0.5 or, in percentage terms 50%.
The chances of it being 2 men out of 2 nominations is 0.5 x 0.5 (or 25%). The percentage chance of all five nominations being men is (0.5 x 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.5) 3.125%.

So there’s a roughly 97% chance that this situation would not happen.

Therefore it is biased. Is it biased because men are so much better at music or that men are more likely to be nominated? Which do you think? Either way, for women to get a fair chance of being nominated, they need their own category. Unless you think women shouldn't deserve a fair chance.

@Felix125 That is because what Ladbaby do is barely music. It would be like inviting Mr Blobby to take part.

Tinysoxxx

But that is based on equal chance events

What they are saying here is that the 5 nominated acts have done better this year with regards commercial success, downloads, popularity etc etc

Its not just a case of picking 5 random acts from an equal distributed group of musicians based on sex.

Ginmonkeyagain

I'm not expecting Ladbaby to get an award, but they have never been invited to the show - despite having 5 Christmas number 1's and raising a load of money for charity

Well no - because the are a shit awful novelty act. Acts like that don't get invited to awards shows.

Oh rtft will you

Quite near the start we talk about why there is a disparity in numbers of women and men at the top levels of the industry and explain why that's related to sexism in society

We point out that "the best" if subjective and there are female artists this year who could easily be considered better than the current nominees - partly because to get there women have to be better

There's a link to a guardian article that has quotes from those in the industry explaining why it's so shameful and unhelpful

And we ask you to spell out for us why it is at all to be expected that it's male dominate and that the men all just happen to be the best but you can't

The odds are of course wrong, because we live in a sexist world where the 'dice' are loaded against women in the music industry.

That's why we need 2 sets of awards.

Ginmonkeyagain
Well no - because the are a shit awful novelty act. Acts like that don't get invited to awards shows.

Skinner & Baddiel were invited and awarded a prize