All 5 Brit nominees for Artist of the year (Gener neutral) are……..

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Men………Quelle Surprise

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/21025033/harry-styles-leads-brit-award-nominations-2023/

Is commercial success the only judging criteria for the Brits? Is that a direct correlation with the label of "best" in "Best Artist"?

Their penises just aren't as compelling, I'm afraid.

There's no point arguing with someone who is going to claim that some singers are just better by virtue of the prestige a pair of bollocks confers.

Nor the la-di-da…

RoseslnTheHospital ·
Any chance of actually answering the questions in my post that you quoted?

Yes - its just that this year the more successful artists happen to be male (Ezra & Styles etc)

The majority of people who listen, buy & down load music or go to concerts etc seem to have chosen the likes of Ezra & Styles. There's seem to be the music people are going for.

Maybe next year it will be a different artist

Wasn't last years best group Little Mix and best album Dua Lipa and Haim the best international group.

ArabellaScott
There's no point arguing with someone who is going to claim that some singers are just better by virtue of the prestige a pair of bollocks confers.

No - I'm looking at record sales & commercial success

Ignoring the massively patronising tone of your reply....

Doh. I know they have been more successful commercially. I'm asking why do you think that's the case. And not because "more people seem to like them"...ffs. That's the definition of commercial success, not an explanation as to why.

Wow what a shocker. Not all of those nominees have had more commercial success than any female British artist, not sure on record sales but I'd be surprised if that was also the case.

Why do I think they are more successful?

Because they are performing songs that a lot of people like. My two daughters both like Ezra & Styles and have been playing them non stop this year - as have most of their friends when they come around. They are also into other artists (like Dua Lipa) but this year they seem have latched onto Ezra & Styles and download their music.

They have a choice of a lot of artists, but have chosen them. No one is telling them to do it or pressuring them into doing it - they are choosing to do it as they like the music.

If this is repeated around the country, you can see why they are successful.

Why do you think they have been more successful?

Why do UK music companies spend about 500 million a year on A&R, promotion and marketing?

FFS - there are 5 nominees. Even if commercial success or being liked by the daughters of a random poster on Mumsnet were the sole criteria for being nominated for an award, then by most standards, Charli XCX who had a NUMBER ONE album, should have been worthy of one of the other slots. And if I was looking for critical approval, per the Guardian, she had the highest rated album by anybody British in 2022. www.theguardian.com/music/2022/dec/06/the-50-best-albums-of-2022

Knowing people who work in this industry, I have three theories

1. They’ve done it deliberately to get a lot of PR. No publicity is bad publicity as far as they are concerned
2. Misogyny
3. A mixture of both.

Whichever it is, it stinks

RoseslnTheHospital
Why do UK music companies spend about 500 million a year on A&R, promotion and marketing?

Because its responsible for talent scouting and overseeing the artistic development of recording artists (singers, instrumentalists, bands, and so on) and songwriters. It also acts as a liaison between artists and the record label or publishing company; every activity involving artists to the point of album release is generally considered under the purview, and responsibility, of A&R.

So they will spend this sum on developing talent etc and gain the money back after the artists become successful

Fuck me. Please stop responding to questions with the definitions of what I referring to. I know what A&R, promotion and marketing is. I was referring to the fact that music companies spend an extraordinary amount of money making sure your darling sprogs have heard and seen these musicians. I was inviting you to consider if you think this money is spent without a tiny hint of sexism or discrimination. I can't decide if you are deliberately being patronising or just aren't able to make the leaps.

Is commercial success the only metric for a Brit award nomination?

I think the nomination voting is anonymous and they simply go for the five with the highest voting tally. So 1 is probably out and it’s likely a mixture of conscious and unconscious bias towards male voices.

I doubt everyone picked five male acts, but if enough went for the same few male acts and the female acts were from a wider selection, the women would get ‘drowned out’. Again.

RoseslnTheHospital
Please don't refer to my daughters as 'sprogs'

No,. I don't think this money is spent that way. the list of artists they have to download from is a fair mix from what I can see. Unless you think these sites are not fair - and if so which sites are you referring to.?

The one i use is Spotify - and I can't see that as discriminatory in any way

And just to clarify - you initial question was - Why do UK music companies spend about 500 million a year on A&R, promotion and marketing? - It wasn't posed as "...do you think this money is spent without a tiny hint of sexism or discrimination..."

So, unable to make the leap. Thanks for clarifying.

Best artist is the only award you can have gendered. Groups may be mixed, as are the acts that are nominated for Best Single, best album etc. Stats show there is a historic male dominance as the music industry is unquestionably male dominated.

Gendering Best Artist is pretty much the only award where equal representation is shown. There's an unfashionable take on this at the moment but if you think about it, it does work well in showcasing both male and female talents equally in at least one area.

If that is the case what about two other rather less commercially sucessful nominees - notably Fred Again?

RoseslnTheHospital
So, unable to make the leap. Thanks for clarifying.

No - it doesn't appear that you can prove your point in any case

Fred Again has been huge in 2022 - he's had about 10 successful singles, studio album which was international success and a tour. He's also collaborated on stuff . He's also won other awards this year too

RoseslnTheHospital

So which sites are more 'male' orientated then for downloading music?

And the sites that aren't - how are they influencing my daughters to listen to Ezra & Styles?

ah felix is here to policesplain the Brits

this is a common tactic as anyone on the police threads in here knows

Funny you should say that cos I just had an urge to listen to this classic:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZrAYxWPN6c