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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dd ran away to be with trans lover and refuses to return

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Moomoola · 11/01/2023 08:15

Hi, I was posting in the teens section and got some good ad vice and a suggestion that I post here.
here’s a link to that thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/teenagers/4699011-sil-cancelled-visit-as-our-dd-wants-to-be-a-man?page=1
im using ‘dd’and ‘she’ to keep things simple.
basically dd at 15 decided she was trans and I took her to get some boys clothes and didn’t pay it enough attention. To my naive mind it’s not (or wasn’t ) an issue.
Shes now 17 and started to date a girl ( x) who is 17, who’s parents paid for male hormones since 15. That was some concern as obv. X will have been through a lot. Dd mentioned that x has some mental struggles, the mum hides vodka. Dd is pretty naive, has had a few challenges and can be gullible.
in the last 3 months dd was clearly struggling.
just befor Xmas I made her a cuppa and she had vanished. We tracked her down to x house which she refused to leave. It was ibvioly coordinated as there was a lot of phone alerts and the dad had obviously come to collect her.
I asked the mum to send her back as it was Xmas day and we were concerned. I get a text back from dd saying the mum doesn’t want to be involved and why did I deadname her.
The mum obviously didn’t need to show the text to dd. There are other red flags that the mum is stirring. We got texts from dd saying we are abusive transphobes. If we try and talk rationally that’s conversion therapy. We are concerned that dd is being encouraged to write these. The grammar is sometimes too good to be dds. Any ‘friendly’ texts seem to be late at night. Though I may be overthinking that.
live managed to see dd twice so at least we are talking, but it’s as if dd is hardening herself from us. She has decided to live with x and her mum and is in love and considering top surgery as she has dysmorphia. At least she is still going to school.
we registered it with the police who said this is happening a lot and it’s a pattern.
we are not concerned about the trans thing as such, though obviously that’s part of it, we are very concerned that since dating x, a seemingly happy dd got increasingly depressed and convinced we were transphobic to the point that she had to run to xs house where she feels supported, and we feel she is being love bombed, isolated from us and coerced into thinking she also needs hormones etc.
we are getting nowhere. I seem to be living in a dystopian world where everyone has fake smiles and suggests we call her by her new name and everything will be marvellous.
live contacted Bayswater group, and I’m posting here as suggested by a pp in case anyone can suggest anything else I can do. For dd but also Dh and ds. Dh obviously distraught the more he reads and ds is spending more and more time alone on his phone.
Many thanks.

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Moomoola · 31/01/2023 08:02

That’s what we are concerned about zatroya she did say she wouldn’t , but.
Thank you camille I’ll try. It’s a good idea. We’ve gone from dropping the passport off at school with the teacher, to chatting to her with the teacher and now just me and her in a cafe. I hope I’m doing the right thing.
a teacher may have been helpful.
as it is I have no idea how to approach this. I’m assuming I should be all warm and do a lot of listening.
I can say why don’t you come home and pick your passport up. I’ll try anyway.
Do I keep it light and ask how she is like I would if all was normal?
I want to ask ‘why are you cutting off her family, why are you giving up 2 exams and working in a cafe? Is x doing the same? X isn’t cutting off her family’
i don’t want her to use feeling pressured as an excuse not to see me again.
that may be better said with a teacher there?
im so muddled!
DH wakes up and bombards me with plans. Today he’s saying go to the school. And tell the head it’s a coercive relationship’
he wants me to stop job and gets cross that I haven’t. I now do 2 1/2 days.
I’m thinking of doing a class in my hobby for one afternoon. These are to stop me getting depressed which I have been and will be if I’m alone all day every day.
im so glad you are all here, the more I read the links you are posting the bigger and scarier this gets.

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Moomoola · 31/01/2023 08:09

Re the job, DH says we have a limited time to get her back and I need to be working on this all the time.
there is a lot more reading I can be doing.
I can also be working to make the home nicer - it’s a bit neglected.
im concerned that if I keep the part time job and we lose her he will blame me. And I may blame myself.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/01/2023 08:24

"Working on her" as your DH sees it will not bring her home. It might drive her further away.
Quiet "acceptance" is the way to go. Listen and keep listening, show respect and reassure her that whatever decisions she's made, you love her unconditionally. Keep the door open at this stage. If you push back (which of course you'll feel like doing) it buys into the narrative that she's being sold. It goes against our instincts but if you want her back in your lives, she needs to want to return. And she's 17 - she won't unless she can see it as a non judgemental place.

Not sure what you can do re your DH - he's now bullying you in his frustration and rage and that's not on.

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2023 08:32

Moomoola · 31/01/2023 08:09

Re the job, DH says we have a limited time to get her back and I need to be working on this all the time.
there is a lot more reading I can be doing.
I can also be working to make the home nicer - it’s a bit neglected.
im concerned that if I keep the part time job and we lose her he will blame me. And I may blame myself.

Do you agree with your DH that you have a limited time to get her back?

Or do you think that ship has sailed and she's made a choice that she has to live for a while before she can roll back?

This is the essence of the entrenchment argument. How far gone is your daughter? I would argue that at the point she's no longer living with you, she's already crossed a threshold where it's difficult to back down from in the face of your father insisting you MUST.

The issue is then no longer about the trans stuff but independence and who makes decisions in her life. That's the kind of environment that 17/18 year olds are MORE not less likely to make bad decisions because it becomes about 'proving they mean it' to parents.

Be careful. If you feel bullied into doing certain things, how do you think your daughter might be feeling.

This idea that he can 'save' his daughter from herself is naive.

Zatroya · 31/01/2023 10:41

Honestly the more I read the more pissed off I am with your DH, he sounds borderline abusive at times, and I don't throw that around lightly.

Di you think your daughter would move back in, if your husband was staying elsewhere?

ScrollingLeaves · 31/01/2023 11:08

He is certainly being very difficult but I think he is just a highly stressed, panicking, and bereaved father.
Men often want to ‘take action’ and ‘solve’ something.

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 31/01/2023 11:19

Your DH is all over the place. There is no magic way to "get her back". This is a long haul. Your husband is in a state and he's blaming you to avoid blaming himself. It's that simple. He's trying to push it all off onto you because he can't cope himself. So try to keep your mental distance and don't mentally accept that blame. This is him, not you.

Your DH needs help. He can't just expect you to give up your life to fix his problems. You need your oxygen own to survive, and your job is that oxygen. And OK, maybe your son does need more parental attention - but he's the father, he can't just delegate that to you, his son needs him too. Maybe he needs to rethink his own work-life balance for a year or two.

Is there any chance of getting some family therapy, for yourself, your husband and your son? DD doesn't have to come. From what you said about being ill in the past there's been pain in the family, both before this trans thing and now also focussed on your DD. DD has found a way to suck up all the oxygen in the room, to make everything about her, about what she wants, about getting her back, etc. And now you're trying to fix everything, hold everyone up, satsify your husband, look after your son, keep contact with your daughter. It can't all be done by yourself!

Family therapy could be, not so much about getting DD back, but finding a way to cope with what's happening as a family that doesn't blow all of you apart.

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MumOfYoungTransAdult · 31/01/2023 11:35

Sorry I missed you already arranged family therapy - good shout. And by the way - you are doing a great job as a Mum. You're doing what's possible to keep communcation lines open with your DD in such difficult circumstances.

PauliString · 31/01/2023 11:58

God, your husband really needs to rein back his sexism and dismissal of the women in his life.

So he thinks his role is to instruct you to give up your job, make the home nice, take urgent action with your almost-adult daughter and cut off your friends? Has he pondered at all what is it about womanhood that your daughter might be trying to avoid?

FaceLikeCattle · 31/01/2023 11:59

I don't think your husband is trying to be abusive (unless he has a form for that, which you haven't mentioned) I think he is trying to hold his sanity together while he grieves for the daughter he once cherished who is now considering mutilating herself and cutting her family off.

But equally, his sanity isn't your responsibility. If more things need 'doing', then he can 'do'. He can't wake up in the morning with a list of things for you do to and if they work he can take credit for thinking them up and if they fail, he can blame you for not doing it or not doing it well enough. If he has an idea, you need to deflect it back and say 'yeah, why don't you try that'.

I can't say what I would do in your shoes, because none of us know how we would really react, but I like the idea of what some previous posters mentioned and just quietly make your home life enticing. "We're going to take the Eurotunnel to Paris for the weekend, let me know if you want to come, otherwise I'll send you some pictures xxx". There's no pressure, almost indifference, but letting her know the life she could be having. I imagine it's pretty crap where she is. It's awkward living with someone else's mum and teenage relationships are almost always turbulent. I would keep up with the drip, drip, drip of her nice former life "morning darling, today I'm meeting Glenda for a coffee, I haven't seen her for a while, so it'll be nice to catch up", "I hope you've had a nice day today, we played Monopoly after school and DS drew a picture of a tree, his art is really coming along [pic attached]", "Dad made a cake today but is so messy he ended up with icing sugar in his hair - I haven't told him yet! [pic attached]". No pressure, no oxygen to the trans situation, just normal family life, the same as you would if she was gone for the night on a sleepover or moved out to go to uni.

If your friend wants to call your daughter 'he', that's not a battle I would be fighting, but there's also no way I would be pretending she was a boy. Otherwise if she did change her mind, she'd have to eat her words and tell you to call her 'she' again, which is like admitting she was wrong. I wouldn't put that hurdle in front of her.

The therapy sounds good, and I agree to doing it without DS to begin with so you can check out the therapist first.

I would be putting any spare time you have (but not all your energy) into making things nice for DS, his life can't revolve around his sister. Ask him who he wants to invite over for the weekend, for example, or tell him you've found a new trampolining club that he might want to join. And I would also be getting a kitten if DS wants it. Or maybe he wants something else: a drum kit, guitar lessons, involvement in the Duke of Edenborough award, picnic in the park, anything to engage him and make him feel special. Just nothing computer related. Boys seem to withdraw into themselves when given free rein of a computer.

Oops, that was quite long!

PauliString · 31/01/2023 12:01

Sorry, OP, that was probably unfair. The posters who think he's in a blind panic probably have it right. But you are recently bereaved on top of this difficult time with your daughter, and instead of supporting you, he's blaming you. Ugh.

You need to keep on being you and doing things outside the family, or you might go under.

PauliString · 31/01/2023 12:04

Kittens are pretty easy, by the way, if you want a quick 'look dear I listened' for your H. But get two, if you can afford the insurance and food for both.

They lend themselves to many, many photos to send to your DD.

FaceLikeCattle · 31/01/2023 12:05

Oh and regarding that teacher who wants to meet you all outside of school. I would be raising it with the head. I don't think it's appropriate. What if you didn't turn up, would the teacher just hang out having a coffee with your daughter? The whole thing feels like the teacher is overstepping boundaries.

FaceLikeCattle · 31/01/2023 12:09

PauliString · 31/01/2023 12:04

Kittens are pretty easy, by the way, if you want a quick 'look dear I listened' for your H. But get two, if you can afford the insurance and food for both.

They lend themselves to many, many photos to send to your DD.

Who can resist visiting a kitten? And they're time limited; kittens become cats pretty quickly, so she'll know that if she wants to meet Fluffball while she's still tiny and cute, she'll have to come and see you soon, not in 3 years when she's finished 'thinking about what she wants'.

Even if she doesn't end up visiting, it'll be lovely for your son (but only if he actually wants one).

MichelleScarn · 31/01/2023 12:32

Hi @Moomoola how are things? Keep thinking of you and am hoping all the SNP and trans ideology that's exploding all over the media is going to hopefully open your dd's eyes to what is actually going on and how harmful things can be.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 31/01/2023 13:22

FaceLikeCattle · 31/01/2023 11:59

I don't think your husband is trying to be abusive (unless he has a form for that, which you haven't mentioned) I think he is trying to hold his sanity together while he grieves for the daughter he once cherished who is now considering mutilating herself and cutting her family off.

But equally, his sanity isn't your responsibility. If more things need 'doing', then he can 'do'. He can't wake up in the morning with a list of things for you do to and if they work he can take credit for thinking them up and if they fail, he can blame you for not doing it or not doing it well enough. If he has an idea, you need to deflect it back and say 'yeah, why don't you try that'.

I can't say what I would do in your shoes, because none of us know how we would really react, but I like the idea of what some previous posters mentioned and just quietly make your home life enticing. "We're going to take the Eurotunnel to Paris for the weekend, let me know if you want to come, otherwise I'll send you some pictures xxx". There's no pressure, almost indifference, but letting her know the life she could be having. I imagine it's pretty crap where she is. It's awkward living with someone else's mum and teenage relationships are almost always turbulent. I would keep up with the drip, drip, drip of her nice former life "morning darling, today I'm meeting Glenda for a coffee, I haven't seen her for a while, so it'll be nice to catch up", "I hope you've had a nice day today, we played Monopoly after school and DS drew a picture of a tree, his art is really coming along [pic attached]", "Dad made a cake today but is so messy he ended up with icing sugar in his hair - I haven't told him yet! [pic attached]". No pressure, no oxygen to the trans situation, just normal family life, the same as you would if she was gone for the night on a sleepover or moved out to go to uni.

If your friend wants to call your daughter 'he', that's not a battle I would be fighting, but there's also no way I would be pretending she was a boy. Otherwise if she did change her mind, she'd have to eat her words and tell you to call her 'she' again, which is like admitting she was wrong. I wouldn't put that hurdle in front of her.

The therapy sounds good, and I agree to doing it without DS to begin with so you can check out the therapist first.

I would be putting any spare time you have (but not all your energy) into making things nice for DS, his life can't revolve around his sister. Ask him who he wants to invite over for the weekend, for example, or tell him you've found a new trampolining club that he might want to join. And I would also be getting a kitten if DS wants it. Or maybe he wants something else: a drum kit, guitar lessons, involvement in the Duke of Edenborough award, picnic in the park, anything to engage him and make him feel special. Just nothing computer related. Boys seem to withdraw into themselves when given free rein of a computer.

Oops, that was quite long!

It was good though!

(this is Clog btw, name change in honour of yesterday’s extraordinary day in trans news)

I mentioned earlier that I had done a sort of therapy by proxy for my youngest - she was suffering from anxiety at trying to fit back into school after pretty much a whole
year off for serious illness. Not quite family therapy, but similar. I’m not sure what it was called but I will dig out the textbook the therapist gave me in a sec.

One of the aims was to better understand her behaviours and what the I acknowledged motivations were. My specifics are totally irrelevant to you (my littlest DD is primary age and was trying to stay home all the time! And refusing to cultivate any interests away from me, so the complete opposite of a run away teen) but the methods of unpicking and understanding are going to be similar and perhaps even the same). In my DD’s case, it was a relatively low level intervention (fortnightly for 12 weeks) to try and ward off school refusal (very very common in kids who have survived life threatening illnesses).

I’ve also done 6 months of MST therapy with my eldest, which is a really rigorous intervention (3 times a week for 6 months!) used as an early interview for youths at risk of criminal offending, he was 14/15 at the time and is now early 20s, with no criminal record. A definite success.

There were some overlaps between these two interventions.

My poor DstepD (the one who identifies as a boy) slots in between my two bio kids. Her trans identity began very shortly after her little sister reached remission for illness, and I believe it was at least somewhat motivated by a subconscious need to pull back some attention, to borrow a phrase from the quote above, to suck back some of the oxygen that the little sibling had been been using up for so long (and I mean that without any negative judgment on my DstepD, a seriously ill or profoundly disabled sibling uses up an awful lot of the family time, emotion and resources which must be really fucking hard when you are in a rapidly-changing-phase-of-life, such as the teen years. Probably didn’t help that we minimised the seriousness of the illness in a misguided futile attempt at ‘protecting’ her, and she was just ever so slightly too young to visit PICU or the Stem Cell Unit. Her experience of her little sister’s illness was probably one of impossible to understand overheard whispers and loneliness).

In children and teens (and probably adults too!) most behaviours are functional, in that the kid is getting something out of behaving that way, but it might not be the thing that we expect it to be. Often the kid/teen/adolescent/young adult unaware themselves, they are working on instinct, not logic.

It’s up to parents and professionals to find the logic behind the behaviour, and then, depending on the age of the child, you can find other ways to fulfil the underlying need and having that need met makes the negative behaviours lessen and fade.

This is much harder to implement when your young, wayward adult is out of the house, of course, but it should still be somewhat possible, as long as you maintain contact and keep in mind that a good outcome might not be her returning home, permanently, to live full time, it might be her going to uni but visiting home in the holidays as if this interlude at X’s house never happened, or it might be her becoming an independent young adult with a job who comes home on Sundays for a roast with a bag of dirty washing.

The economic situation has lulled some of us into thinking we will still have our kids in the family home in their late 20s, so we are shocked when our kids leave home in their late teens. 20 years ago it was completely normal. I certainly left home at your DDs age and never moved back and I had a great relationship with my late mum (she died when I was in my 20s).

Try and think about push and pull behaviours - what pushes your dd away from the family and what pulls her back towards you? eg if she’s likely to be shouted at or interrogated by dad on arrival home why would she put herself through that?

To be honest, I WAS partially motivated to move out at 17 because my dad was a difficult and controlling man (push factor) but I also wanted to live in a city with live music, rather than the boring village I grew up in (pull towards the bright lights of the city factor).

The potentially coercive relationship and the culty behaviour of the trans trend does make it a little tricky to unpack, but try and have a think about what the push and pull factors are for leaving home/identifying as male/picking x as a romantic partner.

and try and increase pull factors in the home using tips like the ones in the quoted post.

And get your husband to make his own lists of potential push and pull factors too, don’t take on all the emotional labour, he is clearly keeping himself up over it at night if he’s issuing instructions to you in the mornings so give him something productive to do! I totally understand the desire to problem solve, but you can’t solve the ‘dd unexpectedly moved out’ problem unless you figure out why moving out was something she felt she needed/wanted to do.

There are patterns and commonalities in all our stories but ultimately every family had it’s own unique pathway into this and every family will have it’s own unique pathway out.

I’m just a stepmum to a gender distressed teen (16) so I have a more backseat role than you do.
I respect her mum and try my best to be a support for mum and not cause any additional conflicts even when my opinion differs.
This means that while I can be pretty good at observing and unpacking the functional behaviours I am less effective at making the changes to meet DstepD’s subconscious needs via other means than I have been with my bio babies.
My DstepD’s mum speaks English as an additional language which adds another layer of complication, especially with all the strange language rules in transland!

Ultimately I will still love my DsD even if she goes on to medical/surgical intervention so while I would prefer she keep her perfectly healthy body as is (christ knows we’ve got a shit ton of experience of a child with an unhealthy body - I lived on hospital grounds in Ronald McDonald House for the best part of a year) nonetheless the door is always open and this will always be her (additional) home.

(I shan’t apologise for the length of this post, even though my female socialisation desperately wants me to!)

Which reminds me, are family expectations for your DD different to those for your son? And even if they aren’t, might they appear to be to a not-yet-fully-grown brain?

I’m sure my DsD looks at her big stepbrother and covets his relative freedom compared to hers.
This might, on the surface, appear to be an unfair difference, rooted in sexism (which can then be resolved by the functional difference of her ‘becoming a boy’) when really it’s because he’s 6 years her senior and I and her mum have different parenting styles, the boy/girl bit is irrelevant and gender transition changes nothing.

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 31/01/2023 13:38

Actually I was going to say - don't get a kitten or a cat! Especially not if your son doesn't want one. It's just not fair and it's not kind to anyone to do that, including the cat. And you already have enough on your plate.

Kittens are gorgeous and they are also a pain in the arse. They shred the furniture, make a mess, shed fluff, scratch, are smelly and meow and break things and demand attention and wake you up - and by the sounds of things your husband will make you responsible for stopping them. Now is not the time.

I get the impression that your husband will do anything and everything - or rather, he expects you to do anything and everything! - to tempt your daughter back home. That's really not going to help anyone.

ScrollingLeaves · 31/01/2023 13:41

PauliString · Today 11:58
What good advice.

Delphinium20 · 31/01/2023 19:39

ScrollingLeaves · 31/01/2023 11:08

He is certainly being very difficult but I think he is just a highly stressed, panicking, and bereaved father.
Men often want to ‘take action’ and ‘solve’ something.

I'm a pretty strong feminist and often see the entire world through the lens of patriarchy, so it's easy to default to "If the men weren't acting like this, life would be better."

However, I agree with this about your DH. Your DH is in a panic because there likely is a short window before your daughter makes irreversible damages to her body. I really don't know the best approach for your family (I agree w/ PP that pushing her to meet at your home, trying to stay calm and welcoming, setting healthy boundaries, planning a vacation for her, and asking her questions is a very good idea), but his panic and fear aren't irrational.

BornBlonde · 31/01/2023 19:39

I think your DH means well but he's kidding himself and putting way too much pressure on you that more reading or decorating is the answer. I think work may give you some normality and focus that could help your own mental health.

I think you sound really loving and strong

Crazycrazylady · 31/01/2023 20:04

Honestly op. Your dh sounds spectacularly unhelpful...

Velvian · 31/01/2023 20:10

So sorry you are going through this @Moomoola . I think your DH ought to take a bit of time off work to put his plans into action. It is totally unacceptable for him to constantly bark instructions at you.

OldFan · 01/02/2023 00:53

@Moomoola Is your husband still trying to make you give up work entirely? He sounds like he's browbeating and manipulating you. You've said your mental health would struggle more if you were at home the whole time. You have to look after your wellbeing. Work whatever hours are best for your health, even if that means going back to what you were doing before he manipulated you into cutting your hours. It's not like not working/working less will effect things on the DD front (that is going to be through meeting up, which could be arranged around your work and hers/her school- she'll be doing stuff too most days anyway) so it'd just give you more time to sit and stress about things.

He could always give up work if he thinks it's so important that one of you does so. Wink

Is it helping you to read stuff about it so much? Maybe make sure you spend time on your hobbies and thinking about other stuff too, watch rubbish on Youtube/Netflix or whatever or about other things that interest and amuse you.

Moomoola · 01/02/2023 09:22

First of all, may I say thank you to the immense support and good advice you have all posted. I don’t know any of you in person ( I think!) but the feeling of support and community is keeping me sane.
I miss my mum so so much. And of course now realise how much she must have kept quiet and let me be an idiot and always was there or gently supplying words of wisdom.
which is, of course what you are suggesting, mrsoverton and like you, redtoothbrush and others I am concerned about ‘ entrenchment’ and normalisation and agree, it’s more about ‘pulling’ and making the home more appealing.
NicolaSturgeons SOGIbottom 👏👏👏😂I’ve pondered push and pull and I can see a lot of reasons why she is being ‘pulled’ - trans identity and a trans lover, all very glam and rebellious as she didn’t fit in with the ‘girly tik tok video brigade. ( spend all Saturday dressing up, often in I think, but I’m old, over provocative outfits for tik tok. do they not think what random blokes could be viewing these?!).
she’s in love, she’s being in a home where trans is normal and she feels supported. They’ve got a cat, they get take a ways.

on the other hand we were trying to get her to balance fun with school work which was getting neglected. ( she has some sens) and she felt she would disappoint us. She’s not very academic but is creative. Of course she doubts her talents as she compares herself to her peers. her brother finds academic stuff super easy. And that can’t be easy for her.

We don’t get takeaways! We don’t have a cat.
I didn’t think we were saying we’d be disappointed, just as I didn’t think we were being unfriendly to x. Just advised a balance. Obviously massive miscommunication going on. Also she seems to be mates with all the kids with problems so many have left school without exams. Have tried to explain it’s easier to do them now and get an interesting path,but hey.

DH suggests mentioning that x is doing her exams and applying to Uni, still has her parents, and questioning whether x has a job she needs to fit in around school like dd.

as for DH he does take things very seriously/anxiously anyway. I’m keeping the job - right now it’s helping me think to get ready etc otherwise I’d be looking at an empty day of no motivation, even though I want to work on getting more freelance, decorating, planning nice trips for ds and casually inviting dd as suggested.
he feels trapped as he is the higher earner. I say job keeps me sane even if it is minimum wage, it’s making me feel valued, and a bit of cash helps my self esteem.
DH (and DD )has always wanted a cat. Maybe it will help him relax.
DS doesn’t but I guess he doesn’t need to take much notice of it?

oops talking of job, have to go.
im sorry for waffle, I haven’t edited this, and should. But many many thanks.

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MumOfYoungTransAdult · 01/02/2023 12:02

DH (and DD )has always wanted a cat. Maybe it will help him relax.

I would accept that as a reason if he is happily taking over most of the cat care, doesn't object to the (gross) smell of catfood and litter trays, doesn't mind finding the cat on the bed or the sofa or with its face in the dinner now and again, will happily change litter trays, mop up mess, deal with dead "presents", and hoover up fluff.

But maybe he will only relax as long as you to do the stressful stuff. And blame you if it's not done well enough.

I feel a lot of sympathy for your DH but he needs to find his own coping strategies and better ways of managing his own anxieties than making you "do stuff" for him. Him learning to manage his own anxietes better would be good for your DD too.

And DD doesn't live with you, and even in an ideal world she'd be leaving home in a couple of years. Cats live for 10+ years.

Cats are notable for getting in the way. Your DS might see it as just another distraction and demand on your and DH's time and care and attention.

I am a cat lover by the way! And years ago we got cats (RIP) mainly for my child's sake. I wanted them too, DH not so much, and I barely even begrudge the brand new fitted carpet we replaced with laminate flooring after just a year of cat-trashing!

Sorry if that sounds negative - it may be something to think about for later. Getting a pet is fine when you're planning for the long term because the benefits of living with a pet are long term. But they're not a "quick fix" to a crisis. This is a marathon not a sprint and you need to conserve your energies.