1 in 585 trans women are currently incarcerated for sexual offences

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Thanks to the census data, we can now show that 1 in every 585 trans women and England and Wales are convicted sex offenders.

That compares to 1 in every 2500-3000 men and 1 in every 243000 women.

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So which is it? Are trans women inherently more dangerous than men that don't identify as trans, or are men pretending to me trans in order to offend?

The answer doesn't actually matter. The same solution fixes both issues.

And? Your point is what exactly?

Is it are currently incarcerated or are sex offenders? Big difference.

Is it are currently incarcerated or are sex offenders? Big difference.

It is the former, dividing prison population into total population.

Although it won't be "current", being based on data a few years old.

No. 584 out of 585 are not currently incarcerated for sex offences. It is likely that some of these are convicted but not in prison.

It's gone. Bloody nonsense. What wonderful timing that was. 2-3 violent sexual assaults perpetrated a day in womens prisons by women on women in a total population of less than 4k, of offenders primarily convicted of non violent crime. Uh huh.

Actually, women had women only spaces partly because of the level of risk to them from regular men.

These statistics show you are SAFER in the toilets with a regular man than with a trans person who was born male, because the biological man who does not identify as a woman is less likely to rape you or sexually assault you.

that other thread has gone. The psychologist. If that disappears because the OP wasn't posting in good faith I really think Mumsnet HQ should comment on the misinformation that the OP was posting.

That phrase is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

I was just reading the forensic thread when it disappeared, didn't get to bookmark if it comes back. It was a strange thread.

What a coincidence that other thread appeared after this data was publicised. I wonder if MN will bother changing the deleted message.

According to Her Majesty’s Prison and Probation Service
Offender Equalities Annual Report 2020/21there were 10 prisoners with GRC's in prisons in England and Wales at the time of the date collection but because of the protections afforded by the GRA we don't know anything about their sex or what they were convicted for. This is the first year this data has been recorded.

The report uses "assigned at birth" which suggest the writers are fully captured.

So much to unpack in Joss’s tweet (👋 to Joss!).

First of all “binary” trans people? So an acknowledgment of the two sexes then? Good-oh.

Second, 99% of trans people. Are you sure that’s the males, Joss?

“To a degree”. What degree? To not be able to get it up? The guy who took a photo of himself with an erection in a women’s shelter was taking oestrogen (he called it his “tiddy pills”). Does a male need a libido to still sexual assault without an erection? Karen White didn’t seem to be treated or affected if he was. The cases of pregnancy in prisons from convicted transwomen don’t seem to be affected either.

So should all convicted transwomen be “chemically castrated” (Joss’s words) when incarcerated to lower that risk?

What drugs to use? Lucrin, a puberty blocker like in the USA? And oestrogen?

It’s good of Joss to acknowledge that hormone treatments impact sexual function, which is all the more significant when given to young children, something that is often denied.

Finally, in a reply to themselves, Joss writes:

Now if cis men are pretending to be trans, thats got fuck all to do with trans women or trans rights.

So an acknowledgment that men might pretend to be trans, and an acknowledgment it’s nothing to do with trans rights. Only failure is to openly admit it’s about women’s rights, but good to see Joss has finally realised.

Oh and Joss, how do we tell who’s pretending and who isn’t?

Answers on a postcard please…

I was smelling incel on that thread....

What was the deletion message on the other thread? I thought it was quite interesting, but 2-3 violent sexual type assaults per (day? Week?) in women’s prisons seemed utterly horrific, if true.

Statistics for assaults in prisons must be publicly available somewhere? Or capable of an FOI.

It was completely unbelievable.

Also quite graphic about the kind of woman on woman assault. Women inside for tax evasion or other petty crime are not really going to be starting sexually assualting other women.

@MNHQ if it turns out that poster was in bad faith please state so in the deletion message. That kind of misinformation harms women.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/safety-in-custody-quarterly-update-to-june-2022/safety-in-custody-statistics-england-and-wales-deaths-in-prison-custody-to-september-2022-assaults-and-self-harm-to-june-2022#assaults-12-months-to-june-2022

Well I am surprised, but here are the stats.

Prisoner on Prisoner assaults are higher per 1000 inmates in female jails than in male jails.

I think it was per week, accompanied by a rather graphic description of what the term meant ( the OP was asked to be fair). It has to be recorded - those injuries sounded horrific and must have required medical attention. I expect violence in male prisons because, well....males, but that level of brutality in female jails was unexpected. Desperate times call for desperate measures but it seems very extreme. Almost unbelievable, to me.

Data says 612 assaults in female jails (prisoner on prisoner) in 12 months. Of which 6% (so 36 per year) were ‘serious’.

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You have to email Mumsnet with your request, there's no @MNHQ account.

And how many women became pregnant as a result of assault?
If there is a problem in women's jails the solution isn't to add male sex offenders to the mix.

Presumably "serious" means requiring hospital, or at least, medical treatment. I can't imagine the injuries the poster was speaking about not needing hospital, so either the severity of injuries, or the number of incidents were presumably inflated, for their own reasons.
It's bad enough as it is. Why make it worse? To make the female inmates "deserve" their sexual abuse from the transferred males?

And serious assault covers all of the following

"a sexual assault; requires detention in outside hospital as an in-patient; requires medical treatment for concussion or internal injuries; or incurs any of the following injuries: a fracture, scald or burn, stabbing, crushing, extensive or multiple bruising, black eye, broken nose, lost or broken tooth, cuts requiring suturing, bites, temporary or permanent blindness."

That's interesting but I wonder how many males in female prisons are responsible for that upturn?

thanks will do.

If you scroll up you will see the stats for self harm.

Unfortunately it seems women spend more time trying to hurt themselves rather than each other.