Posie’s back!

[Whatthechicken]

love her, or hate her, we need her…and not a moment too soon.

twitter.com/theposieparker/status/1605663118402600961?s=21&t=PWXzDYgfqtMOfbm25dj7Mw

I’ve mentioned WPUK exactly twice on two threads and only when directly asked by a poster on MN. The first when told I should start my own political party, to which I responded I don’t need to as I belong to WPUK. Then this thread when a poster has directly asked who else is there other than KJK.

So that is hardly me saying they are the “answer to everything”. As for why can’t I move on…I have actually?

Why are you so invested in the poster who asked “who else is there other than KJK?” being met with silence? Surely all women deserve to know what choices exist? Why do you want them to think that only KJK thinks sex matters and only KJK is defending womens spaces in the U.K.? It seems very odd to me that you repeatedly try and silence me on threads whenever after being directly asked, I mention that KJK isn’t the only option for women with concerns and post a link to WPUK.

No, I do not work for WPUK, volunteer or paid.

They are not “having me pulling down a woman who self organises”. This is my view which is shared by many of my friends who also work with WPUK. No one at WPUK has asked me to say anything I’ve posted on here or elsewhere. Im just a regular mum of four, with two being daughters.

If you are comfortable with KJK/PP’s collaborations with the religious right, then my posting WPUK evidenced blogs on the subject and her links to them is hardly pulling her down? Right?

Because you’d also be on the right and be in agreement with the religious right and their opposition to immigration, contraception, abortion, same sex marriage & adoption, gender nonconforming dress/behaviour by men and women, and of course, the very existence of transgender people.

I give KJK credit for being unapologetic in regards to her collaboration with the religious right, credit for her honesty regarding not being a feminist, and credit for her honesty on her numerous videos regarding why she has contempt for the “women of the left” and how “the left is dead” to her.

She’s being brutally honest as to where she is politically and so it’s not really “pulling her down” to inform others of these facts that she is proud of and happily communicates in her various videos and guest appearances on right wing news channels.

I appreciate you have been to a WPUK meeting and they weren’t for you. That’s your choice, but why do you seem invested in denying other women the opportunity you had to check them out and make their own choices?

".....you’d also be on the right and be in agreement with the religious right and their opposition to immigration, contraception, abortion, same sex marriage & adoption, gender nonconforming dress/behaviour by men and women, and of course, the very existence of transgender people".

If you are who you say you are Onnabugeisha, then it's such a shame to see emotionally incontinent attacks like this against other women - this is how transactivists behave. Appreciating KJK's campaigning skills does not make anyone opposed to immigration, contraception, abortion or any of the other issues as you allege. WPUK, while seeming to be somewhat ineffective in comparison to FPFW, Sex Matters, Transgender Trend, SSA, Genspect, KPSS etc, I know has many good women members and it's frankly embarrassing to read unhinged ramblings like this from someone who cites them.
For those concerned at such alarmist allegations, I'd recommend the substack interview interview posted upthread where KJK talks about all this. It is long but she talks in detail about some of the incidents.
Wouldn't it be great if in the New Year women could work together against trans extremism and lose the frankly childish demands that we all chant the same mantras?

What are you on about? I never said “appreciating KJKs campaigning skills” equates to any of that. I’ve merely stated factually, I might add, the political aims of the religious right with whom KJK has been collaborating with. Supporting her is also supporting her working with the religious right. This is why many women are uncomfortable, and it’s not “unhinged” or “alarmist” to have this view at all. Her way isn’t the only way. We are all free to choose who we support.

You can say she collaborates with the religious right as much as you like, but that doesn't make it true.
Are you collaborating with the religious right when you post here? Being as you think we must all be the religious right too? Religious right, religious right, blah blah blah.

You sound exactly like a TRA repeating things like a mantra as if they're true, so everything else you say just gets ignored.

Sadly, it is true of KJK and others. 😔
As for the rest, I’m not sure you understand the meaning of “collaborate”

As for the rest, I’m not sure you understand the meaning of “collaborate”

that is funny! Very funny indeed.

Religious right religious righ religious right.

Fuck me don't you bang on and on.

Im the least religious person on the planet but I still believe religious women have a right to speak.

As do you.

Please recall you initiated this conversation with me by objecting to the links I posted in response to @SinnerBoy ’s request for info on KJKs links to the right wing. It was two links and quite restrained really, no wild accusations by twitterers or random YouTubers. But measured research done by WPUK who actually agree with KJK in most respects.

You didn’t need to interject yourself. It seems you think religious women have a right to speak, but not me indicates where your sympathies lie does it not?

That Jayne Edgerton woman has lost her mind! She has it tied all the way back to Reagan. It seems PP is a time traveller and got him elected on a trip to the 80s and shagged Steve Bannon on the way back to the present. Or something. Elvis may have been involved.

Appreciating KJK's campaigning skills does not make anyone opposed to immigration, contraception, abortion or any of the other issues as you allege

agreed

Does it? Religious women, non religious women, right wing women, left wing women. All have a right to speak.

Do you ever say or do anything other than whine about Posie Parker? And post about how good you are compared to her?

Is it just me that thinks it's just fine for her to talk to people on the religious right?
Talking to people doesn't mean you have to agree with every word that crosses their lips. We can agree on one thing and nothing much else.

I think right-wing people have as much to lose to gender ideology as anyone else and their kids are in as much danger as the kids of left-wing people. That includes people that are anti-abortion, that are against gay marriage, and whatever else they think. I don't agree with any of them on those things, I'm the least religious person ever, but I still believe they deserve to know what's going on under their noses in the name of gender.

Spot on Snowy. This issue's repeatedly discussed on here. There are some people who post (fortunately a minority) who can't cope with the idea that those with different views to theirs are entitled to the same democratic rights as others. They struggle to respect different views and often substitute discussion with smears and allegations. It's tedious and frankly childish but they're caught up in some sort of "purity spiral" and seem unable to break out of it.
One of the brilliant things about this board is that there are constant discussions where my thinking is challenged. I've had to rethink countless ideas / views that I've held in recent years.

All of this.

Right wingism isn't like covid. You can still be left wing and have conversations, eat lunch, swap seeds, share a big bag of crisps and even hug a right wing person and not catch the evil.

Posies detractors prefer to use other people's words as evidence of her crimes and yet she runs her own YouTube channel where you can see everything she says for yourself and make up your own mind. There's a certain amount of irony in signposting people to other sources about the woman who started the "let women speak" campaign.

This is a clip taken from another YouTube channel but it is pure unedited Posie.

I can hardly wait to see what real feminists make of her TERF Queen Christmas message, complete with tiara. 😁

WPUK are good at what they do but it's not the same as what KJK does.

They run tightly controlled, ticketed events with a panel who speak and an audience who clap and ask questions of the panel (sometimes pre-vetted questions). They've done a great deal to raise awareness, especially in the early years of the push for self-ID, and their youtube channel holds an impressive archive of women's speeches.

KJK meanwhile provides a free platform for any woman who wants to speak. She sells t shirts, stickers etc. so that any woman who wants to can spread the message in a really easy way, not just within the labour party or TU but to everyone, everywhere they go.

Being in the audience at early events, both Venice's and WPUK was amazing! It was the first time I had seen these issues spoken about live and being surrounded by other women who got it, many of us meeting face to face for the first time, was exhilarating and powerful.

But many of us grew out of just being an audience member a while back. We need to be active now. We all have things to say. We all want to spread the message.

Sitting and clapping a panel, however wonderful the panel, is not on its own effective activism.

If you see WPUK as an alternative to SFW / LWS, then you probably see yourself as an audience member rather than an activist. Or perhaps as a panellist and you see other women as your audience.

They just need to stop trashing her and do their own thing.

I can hardly wait to see what real feminists make of her TERF Queen Christmas message, complete with tiara.

It's tricky as it's uncomfortable to share some views and goals with someone who shares other views with people you don't like.

On balance it's good to have other suggestions (WPUK) of people to fight for womens rights and safeguarding.

We need women from all affiliations and backgrounds to push back and Posie, whilst not someone I agree with on everything, I absolutely doing that. As a previous poster said, win the fight first then talk about the details.

I think this too

Yup. The Edgerton article is also another tiresome sleight of hand which uses terms such as "the right", "Christians", "conservatives" and "republicans" and implies they are all anti gay, white supremicist Christian racists. It is like implying all Labour party members are Stalinists who want to abolish private property and establish a one party state. She also has a bad case of Trump derangement syndrome. Right wing beliefs are represented as some insidious mind virus that unwitting concerned women have no immunity to. Only the priestly class of feminists can understand the conspiracy danger. It is worrying that this woman works for the BBC (according to Google).

That bloody Jayne Egerton essay 🙄

I've been asking this woman for years which alternative US women's orgs we should support if WoLF and HATA are so terrible.

I never got an answer from her except 'see my essay', even before WPUK published it and it was still behind a paywall. She actually expected people to pay £4.50 just to read her non-answer. Because that essay was entirely negative, it was 'look at these terrible women, this is why they are terrible' with no constructive alternative suggestions for effectively working in the US.

What has Jayne Egerton done for women and girls in the US? Who even is she to tell them they are doing it wrong?

I've been on the fence for years about WoLF and HATA but I'm now convinced that the only way to get anything done in the US is to engage with people across the political spectrum, including the religious right, because they have a lot of power in the US and the democrats have completely failed women on all fronts.

Both these orgs set very clear boundaries around their goals and collaborations. They've been going for quite a few years now (way longer than e.g. WPUK) and they have managed to hold their own lines on reproductive rights and LGB rights and all the other scaremongery issues, while forming effective strategic alliances on the threats of genderism.

So I think they are deserving of some trust as grown up women doing grown up politics. I'm not interested in 'they're awful, don't align with them'. Show me other, 'purer' US women's orgs that are achieving anything in this area or get in the bin.

As Kate Graham says, 'We're not fooled, Jayne!'

Watch from 34:33

She's right about two other things:

Firstly, it is no longer possible to ignore how Jayne Egerton and friends think that right wing christians are so terrible we shouldn't even talk to them but right wing muslims are so beyond criticism that KJK must be permanently trashed for a few clumsily worded tweets from before anyone had heard of her.

I reserve the right to criticise all woman hating religions and all woman hating cultural practices. If something hurts women and girls then I am against it even if it is perpetrated by another oppressed group.

Secondly it is vanishingly unlikely that there are not infiltrators in this sudden, massive, new, wonderful women's movement whose purpose is to disrupt it. Why wouldn't there be when these infiltrators have always been placed in all our progressive movements, with these same aims? This is not paranoia this is experience. Listen to Helen Steel.

Shit stinks and we all know how it smells.

KJK has recently joined the advisory council for WoLF. Good for her, she cares about American women and girls. I think US and UK women can learn loads from each other.

Don't tell us about how terrible KJK is for doing this. Tell us instead about other women who are doing good work in the US and who are acceptable to you.

@LangClegsInSpace
*I've been on the fence for years about WoLF and HATA but I'm now convinced that the only way to get anything done in the US is to engage with people across the political spectrum, including the religious right, because they have a lot of power in the US and the democrats have completely failed women on all fronts.

Both these orgs set very clear boundaries around their goals and collaborations. They've been going for quite a few years now (way longer than e.g. WPUK) and they have managed to hold their own lines on reproductive rights and LGB rights and all the other scaremongery issues, while forming effective strategic alliances on the threats of genderism.*

Kaeley Harms co-founded HATA “Hands Across the Aisle,” in 2016.
She said of herself in 2022:
I’m a pro-life Christian conservative who voted for Donald Trump twice.
www.christianpost.com/voices/dear-christian-conservative-men-stop-screwing-up-the-trans-issue.html

In 2022, Roe v. Wade is overturned and numerous States moved to de facto ban abortion with heartbeat bills.

If you think HATA is holding the line on reproductive rights in the US, well….it seems history has recently proven you wrong. I’d also would not characterise the very real reversal of womens’ reproductive rights in the US as a “scaremongery issue”