Women's rights general conversations

[Kucingsparkles]

This is an experimental thread, all input much appreciated!

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

Right, bring on the flames or flowers! <cowers>

To be fair, this is our 'lifeboat' thread and many of us are shell-shocked by the way we have been treated on the other board.

A little understanding and patience whilst we find our feet would go a long way.

Quite @Helleofabore why are we expected to give special dispensation to that poster? Is it just because he was a member of that other talk forum? Is that how low the bar is?

As for those on the Chat thread pleading with him to stay, massaging his ego, telling him he's one of he good guys, it'll all blow over - words fail me, they are about as feminist and tuned into women's rights as Nicola Sturgeon.

To be fair, this is our 'lifeboat' thread and many of us are shell-shocked by the way we have been treated on the other board.

So we on this board have to tolerate exploitative misogynists mansplaining on here? NO.

A little understanding and patience whilst we find our feet would go a long way.

No, no patience or understanding for MRAs on a Feminist Board.

To be fair, this is our 'lifeboat' thread and many of us are shell-shocked by the way we have been treated on the other board.

No, I don't believe that was the intent of this thread. There's a 'lifeboat' thread in Chat. There's nothing in the op to suggest it's anything other than the title says.

I think the problem with that particular poster is we understand all too well! And we're out of patience with men who come onto a feminist board, dominate a conversation and appear not to listen.

Sorry, level gaze? This is your lifeboat thread? Not the one in Chat?

I thought this was a thread to discuss feminist issues? And that the people posting on this thread were discussing feminist issues from a feminist perspective.

I am sorry I got it wrong.

Wrong thread! Try here www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4693132-lifeboat-muster-point-for-talkexiles-thread-2?

So, are we expected to make accommodations for this poster?

And no, this will not 'just blow over in a few days'. We are fucking adults not children.

Personally I don't think that - apart from on the lifeboat thread - we should make any distinction between posters depending on whether they're new arrivals or not. Judge each post on its own merits. I've had my arse handed to me on occasion ... I listened and thought, rather than indulging in last-word-itis

I'd agree with no accommodations for anybody (on this thread). The beauty and joy of FWR for me is that we women can bare our teeth, here we're the default people, and men have to fit in. It rather alarmed me back when I started lurking many years ago, until I realised how freeing it is compared to so many other spaces.

So, are we expected to make accommodations for this poster?

Expected by whom? Afaik MNHQ don't expect us to make accommodations for newbies or oldsters expressing controversial opinions.

It ain't going to happen.

Yes, what @Kucingsparkles said. I'm very glad of a space in which to discuss these issues and bare my teeth without contrary MRAs, and no, I don't think they should be accommodated.

Yep. One can't mark out a thread as 'free of feminism' on this board. Feminism is going to get done to anyone who posts on here, like it or not.

Feminism is going to get done to anyone who posts on here, like it or not.

I love this

Should any accommodations be made for posters on any thread on this board? (except for threads that are for Transwidows which is a very clear exception)

And again, I want to continue to point out that there are male posters who are regulars on this board and have been for years who would not dream of the misogynistic posts that were posted here last night. This is absolutely not about 'male' posters. This is about misogynists and women and girl's bodies being exploited.

Feminism's a verb, imo.

I also want to ask, are we expected to make accommodations for this poster?

I don't think so. Anyone can say anything and deal with a frank exchange of views. None of us are children, we're all grown adults. These are hard discussions that can cut to the heart of what we believe about society, other people and ourselves. If you can't take some robust words, it's probably up to each poster to choose whether to give their opinions.

I totally agree with no accommodations. And as I've already said ineloquently upthread, it would be good if the poster concerned showed real feminist credentials and engaged with the points being made by female posters; I just saw the same thing being said over and over, and no consideration given to the points being made about the reasons they might want to rethink it.

I don't want to sound like I think there should just be one point of view expressed on any of these threads, but I think it's equally important to listen to challenge and meet it if you feel strongly the point that's being made is wrong, rather than just grey wall it.

Yep. One can't mark out a thread as 'free of feminism' on this board. Feminism is going to get done to anyone who posts on here, like it or not.

particularly one explicitly labelled 'women's rights'. Inevitably that may include quite a bit of 'and men's wrongs' but fgs chaps, enter into the discussion if relevant but don't perpetuate those wrongs here.

Great. Because I have noticed from the ending of the last 'sex and gender' thread that there was some pretty strong 'they don't like males' and 'there's bullies' vibes coming through.

I wasn't surprised that last night has been framed around just that narrative by some posters.

So, are we expected to make accommodations for this poster?

No, nope and no again. I was pretty surprised to see the fawning reactions on the lifeboat thread.

We suggested mumsnet for our lifeboat because we weren't allowed to discuss sex and gender issues as women. The most active of us had already been here for years. I'm not sure why some of the sexist men decided to follow us here.

Far enough Exiled.

Fair... not far... sorry.

I'm not sure why some of the sexist men decided to follow us here.

Could be they wanted a less constrained discussion? In which case hopefully they won't complain if that's what they get. Or could be (to quote the OPs post again) because they're people who think they're ever so Progressive and on The Right Side of History (but who) see women not as proper people, but partially-sentient support bipeds for servicing the desires of the real people (i.e. men).

ExiledElsie

Can I please ask, what feminist issues were discussed on your previous forum thread? General feminist issues?

Were you allowed to discuss some feminist issues in other threads not just your 'naughty step'?