Hadley Freeman on Woman's Hour shortly

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Talking about why she left the Guardian!

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001fvx6

It’s a bit like women in Scotland can’t talk about issues that affect women

same silencing. 2022. Might as well be in 1900

The whole 'BBC presenters aren't allowed an opinion' thing that Emma kept repeating; why does Gary Lineker get to post his opinions ten times a day on twitter?

I think there's a valid argument that serious interviewers should keep their opinions private. Linekar isn't in that category.
I remember the long-standing Today presenter Brian Redhead was generally assumed to be on the left (maybe because he was a northerner), even accused of bias by some conservative politicians. Only after his retirement did he reveal he was, in fact, a conservative voter.
However, Woman's Hour isn't quite the same thing as Today or Newsnight - it's explicitly primarily for women and about issues which concern us - I'm sure Murray would have been entirely capable of conducting interviews on gender-related issues with consummate professionalism.

Just read the whole transcript posted by @nauticant.
Guardiangate.
Courageous.
Spell-breaking.

That must have come as a shock to some Guardian readers - women writers not allowed to write about women's rights but told to leave it to the men.

I want an RBF t-shirt for Christmas.

Top work on the transcript, nauticant. Thank you!

+1

Thank you for the transcript, nauticant - tremendous work to make it possible.
Also for the link to the interview on Times Radio. It was well worth a listen. Hadley Freeman was very clear and to the point in her comments and said, as in the Woman's Hour encounter, that commenters are 'realist feminists' but added that it shouldn't be confined to them or to feminists: why shouldn't women be able to talk about their experience?

Interesting to see that Adam Boulton is on Times Radio, doing the interview, along with Kate Mc Cann, which was very different in tone and demeanour from the jabbing and angling of Emma Barnett.

Thanks Nauticant very impressive transcript. Looks even better written down!

Fantastic, Nauticant, thank you!

We don't talk about women, no, no, no!
We don't talk about women... but

Yes, thanks nauticant.

Thanks for the transcript, nauticant. A tour de force from Hadley and you!

Honestly, the Graun lets go of a quality journalist like Hadley Freeman and publishes tripe like this instead.

Thanks so much Nauticant.

mostly, I just felt a warm wave of relief

Also:

'Generations of women before me were burning their bras. But, for me, having weight on my chest felt like a big weight off my shoulders.'

What are you saying, pal, that women's oppression causes a 'warm wave of relief' for you? That taking on the oppression another group has thrust upon them is gratifying for you?

How unsurprising.

'The most positive outcome was that this investigation into self defined a stronger sense of who I am. Feeding into what aligned with me as a human helped quiet a lot of dysphoric chatter in my mind'

Fucksake, Jeremy. Have you ever in your whole life had a thought that wasn't related to your own self?

I think, reading the moronic commentary on this, my new vote for "most egregiously idiotic take" is now "how can you say a specific newspaper censored you when you are talking about it elsewhere?"

It's even replaced "bet you have a gender-neutral toilet at home" at the no. 1 spot.

Saying "reducing to" when you mean "describing one aspect as" has been pushed to 3rd place.

Arabella I said it was tripe!

The problem I have with CM is she has built a whole career on being an outspoken feminist, it's basically her unique selling point/.

But now, when we are in the midst of the biggest issue women are facing for a generation, she's basically ignoring it. And I don't believe her job would be at risk, she doesn't work for the Guardian - the Times discusses this issue almost every week. Indeed Hadley's very first column for the Times talked about it.

I think it's more likely to be a personal thing, maybe her teenagers would give her grief or something. And maybe she doesn't agree with gender critical feminists. I just wish she would say so. She fence sitting so she gets to save face. Fair enough, but don't try and claim to be outspoken then, please.

And if she comes out in a few years, when things have settled down, and says 'ah, I knew this was wrong the whole time' she's a fucking hypocrite. She has a huge platform, her whole branding is speaking about and for women. Except when it matters apparently.

Yes, I know, I should have listened! 😆

Very much agree with this.

And I don't believe her job would be at risk, she doesn't work for the Guardian - the Times discusses this issue almost every week.

But her brand would be. I think CM recognises, correctly, that her way of making a living is broader than her Times gig and is keen to protect it.

she has built a whole career on being an outspoken feminist

This is where feminist has/had got to - one of the risks of being a 'professional' feminst, I suppose, is that one is wary of rocking the boat. Which is counter to the whole point. I was reading an interesting article on how a certain amount of tame protest actually assists orthodoxies yesterday, hold on ...

thedangerousmaybe.medium.com/i-would-prefer-not-to-%C5%BEi%C5%BEeks-bartleby-politics-12bd8d9de66a

'power and resistance form one overarching network of control. The power of capitalism is that it accommodates all of its various forms of resistance. This doing “something” is dangerous and problematic insofar as it merely simulates resistance, challenge, duel, etc. Better to do nothing than to simulate doing “something”, since the latter only increases the power of the capitalist Symbolic order.'