Hadley Freeman on Woman's Hour shortly

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Talking about why she left the Guardian!

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001fvx6

it would be great if Caitlin Moran could grow a pair and come out of the gc closet

twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1599706496329285633?t=0y1kw8Pfoa6_xPZa-IwiUQ&s=19

It's there now. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001fvx6

Such an interesting discussion. I know Emma had to go in hard but Hadley was more than a match for her. I can't imagine how frustrating it must have been for Hadley to work there, with that kind of opposition.

Wow. That was absolute dynamite. To hear what we have long thought about the fear and censorship all confirmed and detailed and said out loud on WH.

That was whistle blowing. Proper whistle blowing. There should be a public enquiry and how the Guardian, and the BBC, silenced their journalists should be part of it.

I hope someone better than me at these things can transcribe that interview for the record.

Yet another woman who feels vindicated for cancelling my paid for sub years ago when as a reader I saw an unacceptable bias and cancelling of women's views. Interestingly there were countless commentators under her first article for the Sunday Times yesterday stating that they'd also left the Guardian and now read the Times.

I'm so not surprised about the Guardian. Remember how it managed to overlook the sex attacks on German women by immigrants during the time Merkel invited the world to come to Germany? That's because immigrants were top of their victim ladder. Didn't like any criticism of the Corbynite faction's views on Jews either, did it? Didn't fit their victim narrative.

The Guardian has a strict heirarchy of victims and women never fail to be less worthy than whatever minority is flavour of the times - in this case trans people.

The Torygraph (as one poster referred to it) is in fact far more progressive when it comes to women than the Guardian, whether it's dealing e.g.with women and work or women and sport: and it is leading the pushback on the trans issue with its investigative reporting.

It's very naive to equate left wing with progressive.

There's a short cut to get a transcript. Leave it with me.

Apologies for the derail, but the Woody Allen story is less straightforward than many believe: mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

Ooh, brilliant!😁

She'd have to grow a brain first.

Finally managed to listen. Hadley was excellent -"reality-based feminists"! I'll be sticking with that from now on.

@MrsOvertonsWindow I'm old enough to remember when the Times and - especially - the Sunday Times were very progressive newspapers. Before Murdoch got his saurian claws into them of course.

Perhaps the migration of writers like Moore and Freeman , possibly others, will be a good thing. Although the broader politics of the Times and Telegraph won't change I suppose , as they are still full on Brexit?

I must say , in contrast to other posters, I have never detected much enthusiasm for Corbyn at the Graun. Even now , 3 years after his departure, columnists often dump on him when writing about quite unrelated matters. But then it was never a Labour paper anyway.

Caitlin Moran does have a brain - bit unfair to sling an insult like that I think? She also has daughters who've been brought up in London and perhaps who have friends who are trans and non-binary. It must be tricky. I've found her uncharacteristic holding back from this debate somewhat annoying but can understand not wanting to commit career suicide. She must be aware and alert to the issue. One day we'll hear her thoughts I'm sure.

Exactly royal

Laverly also spent a lot of time talking about their staggering penis.

Where was the balance there?

Although the broader politics of the Times and Telegraph won't change I suppose , as they are still full on Brexit?

The Times was pro-Remain and The Sunday Times was pro-Brexit.

I'm old enough to remember when the Times and - especially - the Sunday Times were very progressive newspapers. Before Murdoch got his saurian claws into them of course.

Murdoch took them over with the explicit promise of no editorial control. They remained good papers for investigative journalism and a range of views.

I can also understand her not wanting to commit career suicide - though it's worth pointing out that, far from committing career suicide, Hadley's career has continued to flourish. So Caitlin would seem to be pretty safe to me, especially as she's at the Times. Her situation is hardly comparable to that of, say, Rachel Meade, the social worker whose career has genuinely been harmed by speaking out.

I think history will be a kinder judge to those whose career could be harmed, but spoke out anyway.

I find there's a real range of views Abhannmor and some brilliant investigative journalism. Commentators vary - but again for all the "right wingers", there's a good spread of more "left wing" views that challenge.

Like so much in life at the moment, I'm surprised to be a Times reader - just as I'm surprised to discover how regressively misogynistic so many on the left are along with their complete disinterest in child safety and welfare.

In light of the fact that in one of her books, Caitlin Moran specifically says something like, "how do you know you're a woman? Stick your hand in your pants and if you have a vagina, then you know" I suspect she is GC.

I also suspect that as a PP has said, she has teenage daughters, at least one who has some significant mental health issues as she's written about that in the past. I can totally see why she' happy to remain on the outskirts of this and continue to focus on women, without specifying that she's talking biological only.

hanks for link to the HF interview. Will listen later or look out for transcript.

I love Hadley! ❤

Same here. Brought up in a Guardian reading household and read it all the time until I was in my mid forties > 6 years ago. I gradually stopped reading when it became more and more hooked up to identity politics. My parents are the same. It's just largely unreadable now. My dad was also brought up in a Guardian reading household so had been reading it much longer than me.

We all read the Times now and my Labour voting days are over until something radical happens in the party 😁

Loved HF's interview. Even though I had stopped reading the Guardian I am still shocked and appalled by her revelations that women weren't allowed to comment on gender, only men WTAF. Imagine telling a black employee they weren't allowed to write about racism, only white employees could do that 😳

No wonder her and Suzanne Moore left.

That reminds me of the great Jo Brand joke:

How do you know it's time to change the bed linen? Look down your pants and if you see a penis it's not time 😂

The guardians victim blaming article a week after the cologne wolf pack attacks was the precise moment I stopped reading it.

So Jo Brand has two jokes now? 😉

Thanks @nauticant - another great trview!