KJK assaulted at Hyde Park SFW meeting

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Could have added this to several threads, however couldn't decide which.

A man approached KJK and threw liquid in her face - turned out to be water but obviously could also have been acid, urine etc. It was captured on film (can't find the video at the moment.)

This is an actual crime of common assault. Common assault: the maximum sentence is six months' custody. if the assault is against an emergency worker, the maximum sentence is one year's custody. if the assault is racially or religiously aggravated, the maximum sentence is two years' custody.

He has been given a Community Order and banned from going into Hyde Park. Given that this was done in the context of a mob holding up threatening signs and the purpose was obviously to intimidate and frighten women holding a peaceful meeting this seems pretty lenient to me. So much for the VAWG strategy

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KJKs account starts 3 min in.

I know. I've never got over Margot Leadbetter understanding a joke.

IW was saying the same thing on This Morning that most women here are saying in the 'Foreign Men' threads.

@RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella
Although just like a while back on here "gender criticals" saying men should arm themselves and guard the women's toilets and that was deemed fine by most on here?

Who told you that? Maybe you should find that thread and check for yourself.

Spiked barbed wire fences in the channel?

Bollocks

We seem to have had an influx of clown dancers. Maybe discuss IW on the latest IW thread instead of this one about two women being assaulted.

I imagine that KJK will be following up these matters thoroughly. New Chief Constable in London too, and Andy Marsh in post as chief exec of College of Policing.

IW was saying the same thing on This Morning that most women here are saying in the 'Foreign Men' threads.

'Barbed wire' is the same thing as saying men from certain cultures need to learn that women are treated as equal in this country and are not fair game to be harrassed? Agression and education are not equal measures.
But at least it is in line with transactivists way of thinking: agression versus free speech.

Here is the transcript from the oft misquoted 'men should arm themselves' video:

...and men? for once, I'm talking to you. I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say? I'm so down with the American lingo! Maybe you carry, maybe you don't. Maybe you consider yourself a protector of women. Maybe you're that sort of man. Maybe you have a daughter, or a Mother, or a wife. Maybe you have a sister. Maybe you just have some friends. Maybe you just think that women are human and you don't need any absolute connection with them to feel compelled to protect us.

I think you should start using Women's toilets, men. Because you have every right to self identify. Clearly; don't do it and upset women and girls that are already in there, but just make a point of doing it. And maybe make the women feel ok about you doing it. If, you know, if you come out and you frighten someone. But it's about time you started using Women's toilets and saying that you identify as a woman, if stopped. And I think that's how you're gonna have to... that's one of the many ways that you are going to have to combat the insanity of self-ID Even if it's not called self-ID, that's pretty much what you have, now, in the United States. And that's how you men are gonna help.'

Can you please highlight the exact place where you think this calls for armed men to defend women's toilets?

Because, I think anyone actually reading the transcript can see that it is actually saying that those men who seek to protect their family (some of who 'carry') could protect their family by self id'ing as women and entering the toilets. The difference may be too subtle for you, but it is there.

Language has meaning and it is important to attribute the correct interpretation to the words that have been said.

Do I agree that any male should be identifying as women to 'defend' women in toilets, no I do not because that would needlessly distress other women?

But if you are making accusations, please make sure you are making accurate ones.

Two wrongs don't make a right (especially two completely unrelated wrongs). Violence and threats of are not acceptable against anyone.

Sometimes we really do have to state the obvious.

Well, it has been a few weeks since I got a death threat. If we took all the death threats aimed at women, and listed them one after the other I think we'd possibly never get to the end.

It's how we know you know that IW isn't a woman. Death threats to women are commonplace, but a man who says he is a woman gets one and all hell breaks loose.

Now, that's hypocracy.

Please stop using dehumanising language for people you disagree with.

We already had a very good demonstration of how Marg, who uses 'GCs' to describe women they don't agree with, completely cannot see violence when it women that Marg dismisses it when it is there, as plain as day.

Because that is the nature of dehumanising other people. When you cannot accept that people are human, you dismiss violence being used against them.

Marg has done it yet again on this very thread.

I encourage you to report anyone who uses language like 'the transes' or 'transes' because that has the exact same dehumanising effect. Strangely enough, most posters on this board don't show that kind of dehumanising behaviour towards other humans... why do you think that it is appropriate?

when it women that Marg

Should be when it comes to women that Marg disagrees with that Marg dismisses it..

This is surely the point at which UK TRAs (such as our very own Marg and gang) should be saying "OK, line in the sand, we accept both sides right to lawfully protest but assault is not acceptable and is not done in our name".

That's what members of any movement with an ounce of common sense would do.

But instead the tactic is to chuck around entirely unrelated accusations regarding an individual who, with the best will in the world is completely hatstand and no credit to the TRA side at all.

I suggest nobody engages any further on this thread with ploppers who are OK with women being assaulted.

I suggest nobody engages any further on this thread with ploppers who are OK with women being assaulted.

Oh no. I think we should definitely keep pointing out the hate they seem to hold for women. Because it never becomes clearer than in these dismissals with a sense of justification of violence and abuse.

Or the ludicrous attempts of distraction.

But it's just like whatever that saying is about pigeons shitting on a chessboard

I do agree that Marg should pop on to this thread though and defend Willoughby and stop attempting to derail this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4687809-wtf-india-willoughby-racist-tweet?page=1

That's it
"Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board."

What an interesting username

They are escalating. This is outrageous. Why aren't our politicians and police speaking out about this?

I hope KJK gets justice for this disgusting assault on her.

I am the US. I get the sense that, just as the women's resistance movement around the world is feeding back ideas, tactics, and energy from country to country (very much a good thing!) there is a dark mirror image effect on the male supremacist side. I would be surprised if the assailant at Speaker's Corner had not watched some of the footage of violence against women during KJK's recent US tour.

A few years ago these incidents of male violence against women gathering to speak were more scattered, but they seem to be becoming more frequent and vicious lately. It is very frightening.

Meanwhile Willoughby displayed their racism for all to see. And if we're talking about receiving death threats on social media, I'm sure you can spare some of that sympathy for JKR whose inbox has been flooded with them over the past few years! One death threat for a racist comment? Amateur! (Disclaimer - this is a joke. I do not support death threats to anyone regardless of their voice in this debate).

No Marg You really don't get to brush it off like that!

Gosh? You utter hypocrite! Women throw words at some men and you berate, repeatedly.

Someone has posted something unconscionable at IW? Go find them and get them identified and reported to the police. That is not something to be condoned

Woman has unknown liquid thrown in her face and you say "Gosh!" Fucking Gosh!?!?!

Ask these people what that did to them... Sit down and shut up, you blithering idiot!

Well Samphire, I think that Marg should be able to post some kind of evidence that people know exactly the composition of anything that is being thrown at them before that substance lands on the person. AND the evidence that that substance then is completely known by the person who it has landed on that it will never cause a health issue without getting it analysed.

Can you do that @MargaritaPie ?

Because at this point after all the dismissing that you have done, it is fucking obvious that you either have that evidence, or you are simply callous in your hatred of women who disagree.

Which is it pie?

Are you simply a callous person, misogynistic too in this instance?

Or just an ignorant one?

I don't see any other option. But feel free to pose another alternative.

Did marg also make the same comment about the glitter thrown at the women in Brighton too?

Yes. Cos it's all just fun, kids stuff etc etc