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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sturgeon to give speech at event banning talk of single sex spaces

112 replies

ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 06:06

In The Times:

Zero tolerance event bans talk of single sex spaces

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6706e702-6f72-11ed-8a5b-f385de7508fe?shareToken=732040628914a5ae28102b14f150cb6b

"Sturgeon’s speech, due to be delivered about halfway through the event, is expected to last be about 20 minutes. is due to deliver the main speech, which is due to last 20 minutes, around half way through the event.

The decision might have been made to “save the blushes of the first minister”, suggested Marion Calder, director of For Women Scotland.

She praised Zero Tolerance’s work but said: “Thirty years on, Scottish women must be wondering what has happened to this organisation.”"

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midgetastic · 29/11/2022 20:43

In my experience anything that makes it easier for men to abuse women will be taken advantage of

In my experience trauma that results from sexual abuse is triggered by the sex and not the gender of others

nilsmousehammer · 29/11/2022 20:49

In my experience, a male changing gender does not make any difference to whether or not that male is an offending risk against females.

Changing gender however provides additional experiences to harass, intimidate and offend should the male be one of those who does.

And whether or not they are an offender, that male will by their presence in a female space, cause fear, intimidation, distress and active exclusion of females.

Excluding females from anything to provide males with the benefit of choice of everything is not acceptable . Ever. Subordinating females as a sex class to males is not acceptable . Ever.

RhannionKPSS · 29/11/2022 20:51

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 19:52

Whoever you are, nameless woman, I would very much like to buy you a drink. Thank you, sincerely and deeply.

She would appreciate a coffee & a piece of cake...😀. Isn’t that banner just fantastic!

littlbrowndog · 29/11/2022 20:54

Sums up my country for me now

Sturgeon to give speech at event banning talk of single sex spaces
littlbrowndog · 29/11/2022 20:56

And sending out emails to attendees to tell them what not to say

where do I live. North Korea. ?

nilsmousehammer · 29/11/2022 20:57

We're only missing the dementors at this point.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 20:58

Woah. She's shifted! She has fucking shifted!

Happylittlechicken · 29/11/2022 20:58

Who has?

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 20:58

'most'. It's an admission.

Men abusing the system - YES< NICLA< THATS WHAT WEVE BEEN TELLING YOU FFFS

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 20:59

ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 20:31

A clip of her response: "in my long experience most men don't feel the need to change gender to commit violence against women"

Most.

Most men.

So some will and some do. An admission, a shift. But with a side helping of "look how much I know. Me and my oodles of experience".

More to the point, is the sudden realisation that some sex offenders seem to have that they do want to change gender once time in stir is on the cards. Gosh I don't wonder why?

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1597682593813524480?s=46&t=qo1iMS-chfaoqeMG5wMMpw

Here. In which Sturgeon starts the smallest reverse ferret in the history of wummankind.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:01

Up until this point we have had absolute 100% conviction from Sturgeon and followers that no transwoman ever committed an offense against women.

She has now acknowledged that it has happened. That it can happen.

She says it's 'men abusing the system', presumably she thinks Katie Dolatowski is not a true transwoman, which point I'd argue. But the bigger thing is that she's admitted that transwomen are not incapable of committing offences against women.

This is fucking huge.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:02

Okay, sorry, 'huge' is maybe a rather hopeful exaggeration. But that's the most conciliatory I've heard her yet.

littlbrowndog · 29/11/2022 21:04

But arabella. Her overlords the Green Party won’t hear of it

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:05

Well, this is true. I don't think it will go down well with them at all. Hmmm.

littlbrowndog · 29/11/2022 21:06

And the trans women are the most stymatised ever in the history of the world

yet she was at a talk about violence against girls and women. The almost run

nilsmousehammer · 29/11/2022 21:07

Shifting from total denial of reality in her whole "It's never happened, it never will happen, I identify as that evidence you're showing me not existing in my personal reality' to 'ok, it does happen, but only a little bit' ....

yes, it's a fairly big shift. Abandoning total denial of reality, definitely a positive.

But we all know the next default position she's shifting to which is the well known, now very worn out and battered one of 'well it's only a few bad apples, and very occasionally, and it's unfair to stop all male people being happy getting their kit off where they want and freely making female people miserable when it's only a few bad apples who are actually raping them, so be kind'.

It's the narcissist's prayer.

That didn't happen.
And if it did it wasn't that bad.

The position after that is, 'and if it was that bad, then it wasn't my fault'.

There is no place in public office for someone incapable of seeing female humans as equal to male ones.

Datun · 29/11/2022 21:20

What a deceitful woman. It's not the changing gender that leads men to violence against women. It's the 'access all areas' that comes with it.

Who does she fucking think she's kidding.

You want to to see women getting undressed, or stand next to them while they pee with their knickers round their ankles, or force rape survivors to validate your special identity, here, just fill out this form online, and you're good to go.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:21

I agree, nils. However, I do think that this tiny little chink in the narrative, an acknowledgement that bad apples are possible, is important. I doubt Sturgeon will ever come round to seeing sense; for whatever reason, she's made her bed on this issue.

But acknowleding that women are not wrong to raise the issues, that there is a risk, may be enough for others to build on, and start to ask questions.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:22

force rape survivors to validate your special identity, here, just fill out this form online

Yes, although as far as anyone can tell, Mridul has no GRC and has never filled out any kind of form.

Datun · 29/11/2022 21:28

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 21:22

force rape survivors to validate your special identity, here, just fill out this form online

Yes, although as far as anyone can tell, Mridul has no GRC and has never filled out any kind of form.

Yeah, she's not wrong then, is she, Sturgeon. You don't have to do jack shit to access all areas. The magic words are enough.

radrado · 29/11/2022 21:51

“Most” ooooooohh Lorna Slater won’t like that.

MidsomerMurmurs · 29/11/2022 21:53

radrado · 29/11/2022 21:51

“Most” ooooooohh Lorna Slater won’t like that.

Don’t forget Maggie Chapman and wee Patrick. They’ll be spitting feathers.

HopRockers · 29/11/2022 22:04

ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 20:31

A clip of her response: "in my long experience most men don't feel the need to change gender to commit violence against women"

Most.

Most men.

So some will and some do. An admission, a shift. But with a side helping of "look how much I know. Me and my oodles of experience".

More to the point, is the sudden realisation that some sex offenders seem to have that they do want to change gender once time in stir is on the cards. Gosh I don't wonder why?

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1597682593813524480?s=46&t=qo1iMS-chfaoqeMG5wMMpw

FFS I'm here to talk about VAGW but let's all remember the special men are more important & more vulnerable.

I could not loathe her more

radrado · 29/11/2022 22:16

She is a fanatic and will do anything to keep in power, even throw Scottish women and girls to the wolves.

TheBiologyStupid · 29/11/2022 22:17

Happylittlechicken · 29/11/2022 06:16

So at a conference about VAWG, they’re silencing women talking about why they may require single sex spaces. And they call themselves feminists? Obviously from the same school of feminism as wee Nicola. The kind that prioritises men.

Absolutely. Totally disgraceful.