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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sturgeon to give speech at event banning talk of single sex spaces

112 replies

ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 06:06

In The Times:

Zero tolerance event bans talk of single sex spaces

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6706e702-6f72-11ed-8a5b-f385de7508fe?shareToken=732040628914a5ae28102b14f150cb6b

"Sturgeon’s speech, due to be delivered about halfway through the event, is expected to last be about 20 minutes. is due to deliver the main speech, which is due to last 20 minutes, around half way through the event.

The decision might have been made to “save the blushes of the first minister”, suggested Marion Calder, director of For Women Scotland.

She praised Zero Tolerance’s work but said: “Thirty years on, Scottish women must be wondering what has happened to this organisation.”"

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Datun · 29/11/2022 09:31

This is more of the same issue of people, politicians especially, pretending that they absolutely can talk about women and girls, their safety and protection from the violence of men, and homophobia, sexism and misogyny, because we all understand what those words mean. They understand what they mean, and they know that we know what they mean.

But, because an occasion will arise where we have to pretend we don't know what any of it means in order to service men, none of us can actually acknowledge it in public.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 29/11/2022 09:36

Women and girls of Scotland, I'm so bloody angry for you.
Sending solidarity Flowers

maltravers · 29/11/2022 09:39

I’ll let rapists into your female prisons, perverts into your changing rooms and men into your sports because it is politically convenient since I have a pact to maintain with some loonies, but don’t you question me on it! Be nice ladies!

JanieAllen · 29/11/2022 09:43

Zero Tolerance is right behind promoting men www.zerotolerance.org.uk/vaw-position-statements/

tresleches · 29/11/2022 09:46

JanieAllen · 29/11/2022 09:43

Zero Tolerance is right behind promoting men www.zerotolerance.org.uk/vaw-position-statements/

Oh christ... I retract my naive optimism

Walkingtheplank · 29/11/2022 10:11

Does anyone know why Sturgeon is so anti single sex spaces, why she cant see that some men will abuse her new law? Is she a misogynist or is she being funded by people who want the new law - and who are they?

RhannionKPSS · 29/11/2022 10:14

Anyone happen to know where the event is ?

Babdoc · 29/11/2022 10:17

Walkingtheplank, Sturgeon leads a minority SNP administration in Holyrood. She is totally dependent on the Greens to get any legislation passed. And the Greens have been completely captured by gender ideology.

Walkingtheplank · 29/11/2022 10:29

I see, that makes sense. Thank you.
So unprincipled of her.

RhannionKPSS · 29/11/2022 10:51

Anyone in Edinburgh at 2:30 today? You might want to make your way to the venue to make your voice heard...LOUDLY! You

RhannionKPSS · 29/11/2022 10:51

You won’t be alone.

MajorCarolDanvers · 29/11/2022 10:58

Someone should ask her why in a democracy attendees are forbidden from
asking the FM certain questions!

maltravers · 29/11/2022 11:16

I don’t see how they can enforce “not asking politically embarrassing questions I can’t answer”. She’s just relying on women’s socialisation.

BlackForestCake · 29/11/2022 11:17

She is totally dependent on the Greens to get any legislation passed. And the Greens have been completely captured by gender ideology.

While this is true and the Scottish Greens are irredeemably batshit, the SNP has its own layer of fanatics, and that is Sturgeon’s power base within the party.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 11:23

ZeroTolerance's comments on self ID:

'This inclusive approach has not given rise to any concern or challenges. Rather, trans women have added to our movements'

'We strongly advocate that Scotland should bring forward legislation to introduce a self-declaration system for legal gender recognition and take action to recognize non-binary people'

'It is our position that trans and non-binary rights are integral to, and contribute to, feminism'

www.zerotolerance.org.uk/news/blog/violence-against-women-and-the-gender-recognition-act/

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 11:23

'Organisations providing services to women have responded directly in detail to these concerns, you can read some of their responses here: Edinburgh Rape Crisis, Forth Valley Rape Crisis.'

Of course both of these Rape Crisis centres have one very relevant person in common.

HopRockers · 29/11/2022 11:24

so a discussion about VAWG that doesn't include a definition of who these people are or the simplest safeguarding measure
Aye right

Feart are you Sturgeon?

DameHelena · 29/11/2022 11:26

maltravers · 29/11/2022 11:16

I don’t see how they can enforce “not asking politically embarrassing questions I can’t answer”. She’s just relying on women’s socialisation.

Yes. And I hope some women will be brave enough to stand up and ask.

Honest to God, I just know that somewhere out there George Orwell is shouting, 'I tried to warn you!'

tresleches · 29/11/2022 11:26

THANK YOU anyone who goes there today! I'm hoping the Times has a mole inside the event..

ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 13:05

JKR has tweeted:

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1597574046182670337?s=46&t=1UFnnVz6nJxorvRsMQH10Q

"I'd say this is unbelievable, but of course it isn't. When our First Minister attends an event about male violence towards women and girls, the last thing she wants is some uppity woman mentioning the importance of female-only refuges or crisis centres."

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334bu · 29/11/2022 13:12

Thanks for twitter link.

Whereareyourshoes · 29/11/2022 13:19

Thank you for the link.

‘A note sent to attendees said it wanted “to create a safe and supported environment for our guests and ask you to support us in this aim by refraining from discussions of the definition of a woman, and single sex spaces, in relation to the gender recognition act”.

It added: “As feminists we have strong opinions on these subjects, but this is not the place for that conversation.”’

Where is the place for the conversation? Who is allowed to have it? What is the point of this gathering if they are not allowed to discuss relevant issues?

ArcaneWireless · 29/11/2022 13:37

When you refuse to discuss or even hear a valid point pertaining to your own belief, you know deep down you are wrong.

Just admit it.

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/11/2022 13:39

Hope there will be loads of white paper carrying women there, inside or out.

HeraldicBlazoning · 29/11/2022 13:42

ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 13:05

JKR has tweeted:

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1597574046182670337?s=46&t=1UFnnVz6nJxorvRsMQH10Q

"I'd say this is unbelievable, but of course it isn't. When our First Minister attends an event about male violence towards women and girls, the last thing she wants is some uppity woman mentioning the importance of female-only refuges or crisis centres."

I wish JKR was First Minister.

Scotland would be a much better place.