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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Change of CEO at mermaids…

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backaftera2yearbreak · 25/11/2022 17:52

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/susie-green-leaves-mermaids/

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BloodAndFire · 26/11/2022 16:56

BellaAmorosa · 26/11/2022 16:44

How stupid do they think we are?

Stupid enough to think that a bloke with a penis and testicles and a beard is a woman because he says he is?

Sophoclesthefox · 26/11/2022 16:57

CaveMum · 26/11/2022 16:42

If she was “on holiday” recently, it’s possible she may have been put on gardening leave while the Board discussed her future. That would make sense in terms of her leaving so soon after said “holiday”.

Very possible.

Or- she took a holiday, and while someone else was covering for her, something truly dreadful came to light that she wasn’t there to manage or deflect.

It’s the most common way people who are up to something get caught out, it’s why some companies, particularly financial service companies mandate two consecutive weeks leave each year for people in certain roles. Some wrong doing doesn’t survive the perpetrator taking a holiday, because their cover brings it to light.

I’m speculating. Not least because I find it hard to imagine worse failures of safeguarding than those already brought to light, to be honest.

WarriorN · 26/11/2022 16:59

MrsJamin · 26/11/2022 16:03

According to SG's personal Instagram account, she was on holiday from 10-22 November (perhaps even longer). Not sure if that's relevant but it seems odd that in such a turbulent time at Mermaids, she was on annual leave? Unless she was using up AL before leaving Mermaids?

I too think she's off to the USA, unless she goes to jail. There's definitely more news to come, though.

Role at WPATH?

BoreOfWhabylon · 26/11/2022 17:03

@RedToothBrush
I don't think Green was the actual designated Safeguarding Lead - website says this
4.3 It is the overall responsibility of the CEO, Susie Green, on behalf of the Safeguarding Lead to ensure that all necessary measures are in place to safeguard children.

mermaidsuk.org.uk/mermaids-safeguarding-policy/

I did attempt to ring MM for clarity but recorded message says lines are currently closed.

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2022 17:05

I don't think Susie Green was the SO, at least not latterly. There were two other women who had that role.

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 26/11/2022 17:06

Susie has three other children (Jackie is the oldest) and a mother in Leeds, so I’m not sure a job in the US would be that appealing? Perhaps as a last resort, but definitely not a planned career trajectory.

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2022 17:06

Sorry, Bore, cross posted. I had foudn the details of two women who were SOs at Mermaids. It might even be on a thread here, somewhere.

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2022 17:08

Here we are. Both seem to be professionals with relevant experience.

www.oneeducation.co.uk/news-blog/safeguarding-conference-2022-keynote-speaker-krystyna-hebb

WarriorN · 26/11/2022 17:09

His point is you need to have a culture where challenging authority within an organisation can be done through multiple channels so there is accountability. If the CEO and safeguarding lead are two different people you always have two routes of accountability. Basic checks and balances principles. If you only have one then you get more of a dictator effect. It makes the whole organisation more vulnerable to safeguarding issues

This is basic safeguarding in schools, or should be.

I always forget the name techical name of this specific type of safeguarding but the nspcc to include it on their website.

Should schools have a policy around culture.

When Ofsted visited use recently they threw in a random q for a teacher around who they'd go to if they had safeguarding concerns about the head.

Luckily we've been well versed and all know: governor dsl.

BoreOfWhabylon · 26/11/2022 17:09

MrsJamin · 26/11/2022 16:03

According to SG's personal Instagram account, she was on holiday from 10-22 November (perhaps even longer). Not sure if that's relevant but it seems odd that in such a turbulent time at Mermaids, she was on annual leave? Unless she was using up AL before leaving Mermaids?

I too think she's off to the USA, unless she goes to jail. There's definitely more news to come, though.

I predict that if she does go to the USA then KJK will go after her there in a big way.
She'll call her out everywhere she can.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2022 17:09

Not least because I find it hard to imagine worse failures of safeguarding than those already brought to light, to be honest.

I know what you mean, but every time I think I can't be shocked any more, something invariably happens that proves me wrong.

nilsmousehammer · 26/11/2022 17:11

OvaHere · 26/11/2022 16:41

I don't think we can discount the idea that internally Mermaids may be chaotic and badly run with numerous HR issues that were an issue for even the ideologically signed up employees and board members.

Undoubtedly Mermaids main issue is one of safeguarding but it may also have been a poor workplace as well. Publicly those who have left may still support their cause but who knows why they left? They do seem to have had a retention problem in the last few years.

As with the Tavistock, anyone who questioned, hesitated or raised issues, would have been hounded out as 'transphobic'.

nilsmousehammer · 26/11/2022 17:12

The irony of creating a 'safe space' for service operators that ensured absolute loss of safety in terms of safeguarding service users....

Kucinghitam · 26/11/2022 17:16

nilsmousehammer · 26/11/2022 17:11

As with the Tavistock, anyone who questioned, hesitated or raised issues, would have been hounded out as 'transphobic'.

I do wonder if this is what's happened. Over the years of purity-spiralling, they've shed everyone with any organisational competence or sense of responsibility, in favour of ideological fervency. Everybody still in MM is a fanatical loon or a creepy piece of work looking to exploit the vulnerable. (A bit like BoJo's expunging from the Tory Party of moderate, experienced politicians who didn't have sufficient blind enthusiasm for Brexit).

WarriorN · 26/11/2022 17:22

It's common practise in schools and should be in all organisations

Sophoclesthefox · 26/11/2022 17:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2022 17:09

Not least because I find it hard to imagine worse failures of safeguarding than those already brought to light, to be honest.

I know what you mean, but every time I think I can't be shocked any more, something invariably happens that proves me wrong.

Same Sad

BreadInCaptivity · 26/11/2022 17:51

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2022 17:09

Not least because I find it hard to imagine worse failures of safeguarding than those already brought to light, to be honest.

I know what you mean, but every time I think I can't be shocked any more, something invariably happens that proves me wrong.

Tbh there is certainly already enough in the public domain for the Trustees to ask SG to resign.

However, I think the mass deletion of tweets by JG is significant. It's not something that would protect SG from the issues already raised. Rather it smacks of something preemptive re: evidence of behaviour/attitudes/statements that are suddenly at best inconvenient or at worst damning and I doubt the two incidents are not connected.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/11/2022 17:53

IMy experience of working with schools where there've been safeguarding "disasters" is that it's institutional failures that enable abuse. Poor leadership, lack of effective policies & practice, excessive secrecy, staff intimidated & scared to report or whistleblow - a poor communication culture where children and adults know that their views are not respected or listened to.
Very occasionally there's an individual predator who's ducked the system but (in my experience) that's rare. These people are normally enabled and empowered by closed minded & careless management.

OvaHere · 26/11/2022 18:00

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 26/11/2022 17:06

Susie has three other children (Jackie is the oldest) and a mother in Leeds, so I’m not sure a job in the US would be that appealing? Perhaps as a last resort, but definitely not a planned career trajectory.

I tend to agree. She relocated Mermaids from London to Leeds presumably to avoid a move. Starting afresh in another country where the culture difference is massive can be hard going when you're young never mind someone of SG's age.

Not impossible of course but it's not the same as a holiday or business trip. Then there's all the visa issues, she'd need secure employment and sponsorship.

I think she may pop up overseas but perhaps as a freelance speaker/consultant. Plenty of money but no upheaval of moving. I'd like to think of course she's too tarnished for even the US and Canada but sadly I doubt it.

Of course there's always Scotland closer to home. A move across the border and she could be an MSP in a year or two. Fit right in with the SNP or Greens. <shudders>

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2022 18:05

Of course there's always Scotland closer to home. A move across the border and she could be an MSP in a year or two. Fit right in with the SNP or Greens.

Aw, come on, we've got enough problems up here as it is!

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 26/11/2022 18:06

God, don't give her ideas!

Kucinghitam · 26/11/2022 18:10

Of course there's always Scotland closer to home. A move across the border and she could be an MSP in a year or two. Fit right in with the SNP or Greens.

😱😱😱

Dreikanter · 26/11/2022 18:13

DameMaud · 26/11/2022 16:09

Not sure they would have the amount of funds available for a worthwhile pay off though?

Mermaids had best part of £1 million in the bank in March 2021, although suspect they will have burnt through some of those reserves.

DH (familiar with the process) also thinks that the Mermaids statement has negotiated settlement written all over it.

OvaHere · 26/11/2022 18:13

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2022 18:05

Of course there's always Scotland closer to home. A move across the border and she could be an MSP in a year or two. Fit right in with the SNP or Greens.

Aw, come on, we've got enough problems up here as it is!

I know. Sorry. 😱

BaseDrops · 26/11/2022 18:18

DworkinWasRight · 26/11/2022 08:09

The trouble is that FGM laws apply to girls, not boys. Extraordinary as it may seem, it appears not to be illegal to take your son abroad to have his genitals removed.

But but SG took her daughter abroad. So the FGM laws should apply. Unless of course the FGM laws apply specifically to biological sex. And not gender. Do they even have provision for DSDs?

Can one identify into being a girl while simultaneously not be identifying into having FGM laws applied? It’s all very confusing.