Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Change of CEO at mermaids…

889 replies

backaftera2yearbreak · 25/11/2022 17:52

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/susie-green-leaves-mermaids/

OP posts:
Thread gallery
29
MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/11/2022 14:25

The problem from the outset is that nature of what Mermaids (& other organisations like Gendered Intelligence with their "mentors" for school children) want to do is incompatible with safeguarding. Random strangers with no professional qualifications or competence, just being trans, talking to unknown, children about their developing bodies, their ideas /fears / fantasies about sex / sexuality / sexual identity, techniques to modify their bodies including binding drugs and surgery. Developing a secret relationship with a child, often engaging in actions to help modify a child's body in secret from their parents. That's an adult manipulating & exploiting a child's naivety, emotions, fears and anxieties, aided and abetted by an organisation with no understanding of, or concern for, safeguarding children.

DameMaud · 26/11/2022 14:26

DameMaud · 25/11/2022 20:01

Didn't someone, on a thread somewhere, once post the early, original mermaid approach - pre Susie Green. If anyone still has that it would be great to look at it again? It was much as you described Ben, as I recall it

Found it:
(Someone put it on Helen Webberley's Twitter)

twitter.com/coccinellanovem/status/1596502004981170176?s=20&t=LfiO3m_OI-mwjiY8GbWx1w

FusilliFettler · 26/11/2022 14:51

It’s still cat on Fusilli’s TRA/cat twitter feed. The only person who mentioned it is Emily Bridges’ mum. (hi Sandy 👋🏼)

There’s a lot of talk about a WPATH report into the NHS England trans healthcare guidelines but nothing about SG.
Call me cynical but it’s almost co-ordinated.

RedToothBrush · 26/11/2022 14:55

Just having a chat with DH over this.

I was talking and he went "hang on a second. She was the CEO AND safeguarding lead? That's really bad practice for a start because it concentrates all the power in an organisation in one person and makes it much harder for them to be challenged if there are any issues."

His point is you need to have a culture where challenging authority within an organisation can be done through multiple channels so there is accountability. If the CEO and safeguarding lead are two different people you always have two routes of accountability. Basic checks and balances principles. If you only have one then you get more of a dictator effect. It makes the whole organisation more vulnerable to safeguarding issues.

Remembering this is children's charity too. Its a structural weakness that the trustees should address going forward.

Susie Green played a huge role in stopping safeguarding over sight at GIDS and in being both CEO and safeguarding lead at Mermaids structurally limited it there too.

Boiledbeetle · 26/11/2022 14:59

FusilliFettler · 26/11/2022 14:51

It’s still cat on Fusilli’s TRA/cat twitter feed. The only person who mentioned it is Emily Bridges’ mum. (hi Sandy 👋🏼)

There’s a lot of talk about a WPATH report into the NHS England trans healthcare guidelines but nothing about SG.
Call me cynical but it’s almost co-ordinated.

I'm going to be honest when you first posted about TRA/ cat Twitter feed I took that to mean you couldn't be arsed reading TRA tweets and you were going to spend the night watching cat related things.

Duh! Then I read your earlier post today and the lightbulb went on.

That is an amazing way to keep track of what's going on.

Of course I now expect you to start your own thread so that you can do morning and nightly updates for those of us too lazy to do the same. Some of us can't even be arsed to open a Twitter account!

Boiled, who may (or probably more likely may not) have a Twitter account

Boiledbeetle · 26/11/2022 15:03

RedToothBrush · 26/11/2022 14:55

Just having a chat with DH over this.

I was talking and he went "hang on a second. She was the CEO AND safeguarding lead? That's really bad practice for a start because it concentrates all the power in an organisation in one person and makes it much harder for them to be challenged if there are any issues."

His point is you need to have a culture where challenging authority within an organisation can be done through multiple channels so there is accountability. If the CEO and safeguarding lead are two different people you always have two routes of accountability. Basic checks and balances principles. If you only have one then you get more of a dictator effect. It makes the whole organisation more vulnerable to safeguarding issues.

Remembering this is children's charity too. Its a structural weakness that the trustees should address going forward.

Susie Green played a huge role in stopping safeguarding over sight at GIDS and in being both CEO and safeguarding lead at Mermaids structurally limited it there too.

For someone with a god complex its going to be one hell of a crash back down to reality for her.

And the fact that according to Fussi's TRA/cat feed there's not a lot of chatter either way about her swift exit...it doesn't bode well. I can imagine her constantly refreshing her Twitter feed and getting more and more angry as the day progresses.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/11/2022 15:09

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/11/2022 07:47

Much as I despise SG, Mermaids are having a giraffe, if they think they can get away with scape-goating her, then moving on. She was very, very vocal about what she was doing. There's no way the Board can pretend they didn't know.

Like Belinda Bell, chair of Mermaids, who stated in court that she had not read the Cass Review.

Ch3wylemon · 26/11/2022 15:22

I have a tame Twitter for work purposes and follow some people on both sides of the debate. India W saying it's all nasty propaganda and busy tweeting about other things. Nothing to see here.

Others, have less to say.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/11/2022 15:33

I have a Twitter account I set up years ago and never used, so sometimes I use that, as I'm not blocked by all the usual suspects on that account (as I am on my main one, even though I hardly ever tweet, just follow a few people). Looking at the retweets of the Mermaids announcement, I would say there were at least 15 GC retweets saying 'Good' and similar for every one saying 'Thanks Susie'. There was one retweet saying SG had done some good things but the charity should be led by a trans person now. This of course ignores that it was set up to be a support to parents and their gender questioning children, not just trans people.

CaveMum · 26/11/2022 15:40

As the Balenziaga case was being discussed before, I see they’re now trying to sue the ad agency involved.

Not entirely sure that such a campaign could have been planned, paid for and released without the client’s approval though 🤔

twitter.com/lailamickelwait/status/1596341372415418369?s=46&t=zapXKyMm5pma9x84u2FDEg

Dreikanter · 26/11/2022 15:44

I wonder if Green has left with a negotiated settlement? The terse wording of the Mermaids statement makes me think it was not a resignation, and this would protect Mermaids against employment claims from Green and leave her with a lump sum payoff and a gagging clause.

ImNotOnTwitterButMySupportGoldfinchTweets · 26/11/2022 15:55

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 26/11/2022 09:50

I am sincerely hoping that there is enough evidence of failures and mismanagement that she would be seen as a lawsuit waiting to happen particularly in the US.

I believe that as soon as litigation really gets going in the US from detransitioners etc (some of which is already threatened) there will be a major reverse ferret from corporations who will be afraid of the cost. It won't be a moral stance, it will be naked financial self-interest and reputational damage limitation. What insurance company will insure a doctor performing gender surgery if million-dollar lawsuits are lurking in the background.

This is the problem with that ghoul of a doctor Gallagher. She’s operating without insurance now, which just means that lawyers won’t take cases against her as there’ll be no big insurance pay out. She’s protecting herself and the insurance companies. What’s worrying is that some of these young people have sufficiently disordered thinking that they’re going ahead with major experimental surgery with uninsured doctors.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 26/11/2022 15:57

Dreikanter · 26/11/2022 15:44

I wonder if Green has left with a negotiated settlement? The terse wording of the Mermaids statement makes me think it was not a resignation, and this would protect Mermaids against employment claims from Green and leave her with a lump sum payoff and a gagging clause.

They should buy her one of those Balenciaga bear handbags as a leaving gift. One wearing a blindfold and a gag.

MrsJamin · 26/11/2022 16:03

According to SG's personal Instagram account, she was on holiday from 10-22 November (perhaps even longer). Not sure if that's relevant but it seems odd that in such a turbulent time at Mermaids, she was on annual leave? Unless she was using up AL before leaving Mermaids?

I too think she's off to the USA, unless she goes to jail. There's definitely more news to come, though.

DameMaud · 26/11/2022 16:09

Dreikanter · 26/11/2022 15:44

I wonder if Green has left with a negotiated settlement? The terse wording of the Mermaids statement makes me think it was not a resignation, and this would protect Mermaids against employment claims from Green and leave her with a lump sum payoff and a gagging clause.

Not sure they would have the amount of funds available for a worthwhile pay off though?

WallaceinAnderland · 26/11/2022 16:16

Not caught up with the thread yet but wondering if anyone has seen comment from those virtue signaling allies <cough> Emma Watson <cough> who were so quick to condemn women who tried to talk about the dangers and lack of safeguarding around this ideology.

I've seen this comment from IW stating the hate against us. Not even trying to hide it anymore.

This is so sad. The propaganda campaign that has been waged against Susie and Mermaids these last few years is a disgrace. State harassment. They won’t be happy until trans have nothing.
I hate them.
Quote Tweet
Mermaids
@Mermaids_Gender
·
22h
Mermaids CEO Susie Green has left the charity after six years in charge.

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/susie-green-leaves-mermaids/
11:49 pm · 25 Nov 2022
·Twitter for iPhone

MarmaladeFatkins · 26/11/2022 16:19

WallaceinAnderland · 26/11/2022 16:16

Not caught up with the thread yet but wondering if anyone has seen comment from those virtue signaling allies <cough> Emma Watson <cough> who were so quick to condemn women who tried to talk about the dangers and lack of safeguarding around this ideology.

I've seen this comment from IW stating the hate against us. Not even trying to hide it anymore.

This is so sad. The propaganda campaign that has been waged against Susie and Mermaids these last few years is a disgrace. State harassment. They won’t be happy until trans have nothing.
I hate them.
Quote Tweet
Mermaids
@Mermaids_Gender
·
22h
Mermaids CEO Susie Green has left the charity after six years in charge.

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/susie-green-leaves-mermaids/
11:49 pm · 25 Nov 2022
·Twitter for iPhone

who is she even hating at this point?? no one has said WHY SG has left...it could be I'll health, anything

DuckDuckNo · 26/11/2022 16:21

Well at some level it must be JK Rowling's fault

WhiteFire · 26/11/2022 16:25

The feeling [may well be] mutual.

nilsmousehammer · 26/11/2022 16:26

There are those on Twitter who are really not very well at all, and I'm not commenting there, however I will say to link these kind of tweets and attitudes to what Red's DH describes above.

Mermaids' 5th safeguarding disaster is that they frame standard, normal, every day safeguarding concerns - that most organisations working with children would be aghast to be responsible for and frantically addressing - as 'transphobia' and persecution.

They have been key in framing the idea that TQ+ involvement renders a situation untouchable, above standards and norms, and that to attempt to hold them to standards or to even talk about the situation as a failure or concern is transphobic . They hadn't even read the Cass report. Silly nonsense that 'doesn't understand'.

They have been key in framing the whole sex positive agenda connected with DQST, and the idea that TQ+ children are different, and that safeguarding is silly pearl clutching that is old hat now anyway. Hence their interesting choice of trustee, which would have been done with eyes wide open thinking how very progressive, modern and right he was.

The safeguarding disasters are not hapless accidents, they are rooted in the values and beliefs of the ideology. Hence now that more vulnerable TQ+ people see any boundary, challenge or consequence as justified cause for 'hate'.

This is going to eventually need an inquiry because the damage done is immense. It is going to take years to fix the damage that has insinuated itself everywhere because of this agenda.

OvaHere · 26/11/2022 16:41

RedToothBrush · 26/11/2022 12:24

Hard to see it not going that way at this point.

Worth noting Belinda Bell has been trustee since 2019 so during most of the scandal period. And she's the one who put out the statement. All the others are 2021 or later. It's had an unusually high turn out of trustees.

That in itself begs questions.

I don't think we can discount the idea that internally Mermaids may be chaotic and badly run with numerous HR issues that were an issue for even the ideologically signed up employees and board members.

Undoubtedly Mermaids main issue is one of safeguarding but it may also have been a poor workplace as well. Publicly those who have left may still support their cause but who knows why they left? They do seem to have had a retention problem in the last few years.

CaveMum · 26/11/2022 16:42

If she was “on holiday” recently, it’s possible she may have been put on gardening leave while the Board discussed her future. That would make sense in terms of her leaving so soon after said “holiday”.

BellaAmorosa · 26/11/2022 16:44

CaveMum · 26/11/2022 15:40

As the Balenziaga case was being discussed before, I see they’re now trying to sue the ad agency involved.

Not entirely sure that such a campaign could have been planned, paid for and released without the client’s approval though 🤔

twitter.com/lailamickelwait/status/1596341372415418369?s=46&t=zapXKyMm5pma9x84u2FDEg

How stupid do they think we are?

BellaAmorosa · 26/11/2022 16:46

Balanciaga are just trying to muddy the waters and dilute their responsibility. Which is total.

BordoisAgain · 26/11/2022 16:55

WhiteFire · 26/11/2022 13:37

I'm shocked too. I mean we have always been told that Mermaids are wonderful.

Come on defenders, step up.

I'm sure they'll be here as soon as its figured out how this can be spun as this being a good thing actually and the nasty terfs have lost again.