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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women and girls' sex-based rights

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StephanieSuperpowers · 25/11/2022 16:21

Well, here we are...

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dolorsit · 03/12/2022 14:50

Now what I want to know is if the regular explainer of biology to fuckwits from the other place is the same person who regularly explains biology to fuckwits here.

I'm hoping you're not and we are going to see a wonderful tag team of explaining biology to fuckwits.

Tricyrtis2022 · 03/12/2022 14:54

dolorsit, there were a few explainers of biology to fuckwits at the other place. The more the merrier.

Dotellhimpike · 03/12/2022 14:57

SqueezyDragon · 03/12/2022 14:50

Actually bollocks to this, I've had enough of walking on eggshells and choosing my words carefully in the old place. I'm too old and grumpy and don't give enough of a shit any more, and that WoW expansion won't play itself.

Same.

beforemythyme · 03/12/2022 15:02

It's cool having a thread to gossip about your 'old place', but it feels very cliquey to be discussing topics which have dedicated threads in FWR already.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 03/12/2022 15:14

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 03/12/2022 14:47

It seems to me quite useful to have an ominthread in addition to the many other more specific discussions in the feminism folder - we were fored into that situation in the old place, and it's wonderful that here there are much more comprehensive discussions of (for instance) the Mermaids position, or the Balenciaga shoot, but it's also good to have a general discussion of the issues.

I suspect many of us are older that the Mumsnet average and have been round the feminist houses a few more times, which may make us boring, but maybe join in the thread rather than standing in the manger and barking at us.

<growls>

Someone up thread asked if you had to all move again. My reflexive answer then as I read was "of course not". Then.

If we're all too young to make comments that hold your interest, then by all means, go elsewhere. Plenty of forum hosting software on the web. You could even make your own.

Dotellhimpike · 03/12/2022 15:18

Here's a wild idea, why not just let people post without acting like you own the forum?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 03/12/2022 15:19

Dotellhimpike · 03/12/2022 14:57

Same.

Don't indulge yourself for a minute in thinking that this is a phenomenon exclusive to you.

Women all over the internet have been putting up with the same nonsense and we're also very, very grumpy. If we're all big-headed dogs, then rest assured, we have teeth to match and we will bite back.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 03/12/2022 15:19

Don't deliberately invent things I didn't say. Having some younger members is MN's greatest asset. Pity you're so cliquey that you can't cope with new users. If you hate this thread so much, go and be mean girls somewhere else.

The owner of our old home was a misogynist bully, but he did know how to design a user-friendly site - don't know which I miss most, the edit button of the 'ignore poster' feature.

CyanCyan · 03/12/2022 15:29

If MN moderators have a problem with this thread then I’m happy to respond to them directly but I don’t feel the need to answer to a few posters who have for some reason appointed themselves overlords of the subsection.

Telephonesandrubberbands · 03/12/2022 15:30

I see the male energy from the influx of some new members is starting to show.

Every. Bloody. Time.

VestofAbsurdity · 03/12/2022 15:33

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 03/12/2022 15:19

Don't deliberately invent things I didn't say. Having some younger members is MN's greatest asset. Pity you're so cliquey that you can't cope with new users. If you hate this thread so much, go and be mean girls somewhere else.

The owner of our old home was a misogynist bully, but he did know how to design a user-friendly site - don't know which I miss most, the edit button of the 'ignore poster' feature.

Some nerves have been touched it seems. Criticising a thread put in the FWR Sex and Gender Board that is merely a reunion portal for those from another site who want to hold the community from that site together and whinge about the shenanigans on the other site and thus has nothing to do with FWR S&G is a perfectly reasonable criticism to make.

It is not MN users of this Board that are being cliquey, they welcomed you and looked forward to you being part of the Board, joining in the discussions. It is your group that is looking cliquey, wanting only to talk amongst yourselves, talking about issues of no relevance to the Board or other users, snapping at regular FWR posters who dare to ask what your intentions are or purpose is in moving here, a valid question as you give the impression of being and wanting to be a separate entity on this Board.

The mean girl tactics are coming from your side as evidenced by the snarky comment aimed at me.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 03/12/2022 15:36

Women who disagree with you have 'male energy'. Really?

WomaninBoots · 03/12/2022 15:37

FWR is far from cliquey! Just jump in on other threads. (I arrived here, alone, having been derided for asking a question in other internet spaces wondering what the fuss was about. I read a bit then started talking. At the time there was literally nowhere else I dared say any of this stuff, not even in real life at home! I never felt I was unwelcome here or that there was a clique at all, ever!).

It is however kind of cliquey to have a special thread for a specific group of people from another board sharing posts about issues when those issues are being discussed elsewhere too. I've seen sine good posts on here that would benefit from being on topic -specific threads. It is a shame to split our voices, that's all.

I do understand your collective need for a life raft and to find each other. I have no issue with you all wanting to hold together as a group who know each other well but wonder if another kind of space would work better for that? There are various options I'm sure. NOT saying "you should all leave", as far as I'm concerned you are all very welcome... but for exclusive chat between an already established group I just think there might be better platforms.

Starting to make personal attacks on people, established posters, who are uncomfortable with the possible disruption of this thread and the segregation it encourages (I mean by offering two places to comment on the same topic... it splits out the exchange of ideas) isn't really a good look.

I do think a "weekly round up" type thread would be kind of a good idea though. But with links to other threads for actual discussion of each issue? Kind of like "Break it Down for Me" but weekly or monthly?

beforemythyme · 03/12/2022 15:45

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 03/12/2022 15:36

Women who disagree with you have 'male energy'. Really?

There's several new men in this thread who came from your old forum, time and again when we've had men turning up it changes the dynamics (almost always for the worse).

Britinme · 03/12/2022 15:46

As an immigrant myself to the US, and having lived in places in the UK with high proportions of immigrants, and having been born in a country where my parents were foreigners, what I notice is that when people go somewhere new they go where there are people they know. Then they branch out from there. We've already been told that Mumsnet threads cap out at 1000 (very different from the other place) so why not just let this thread run its course? I have no doubt we'll all find other threads to join in, and now we recognise people we've been talking to for years we can spot them on other threads too.

Helleofabore · 03/12/2022 15:47

It seems to me quite useful to have an ominthread in addition to the many other more specific discussions in the feminism folder

Why?

What is the benefit of having a thread that has the same information as other threads when posters come to the dedicated threads to find information and links?

What is the benefit to general users when the single general thread may have different information to share but is not sharing it in the relevant dedicated thread. Duplicate threads rarely work on this board from my experience.

Wouldn’t it mean information gets dispersed rather than concentrated, and the readers of the board would then be poorer for it? It is fine to have duplicate threads such as one on AIBU and one on this board. Because often the information shared has different purposes.

I am attempting to understand the benefit to the board to have the same information dispersed across different threads relating to a topic. Can you explain how you see that benefitting the board please?

VestofAbsurdity · 03/12/2022 16:10

I agree with you @Helleofabore I don't see how some kind of omnithread would be relevant or even necessary, what is it meant to achieve?

Trying to remake this long established forum and board in the image of the place from whence posters have come is not going to work and I have to say is more than a little arrogant.

Britinme · 03/12/2022 16:18

@VestofAbsurdity I don't think anybody is trying to 'remake' this forum, and certainly not in the image of the other place. It's a different thing and it wouldn't work. So I think the accusation of arrogance is unfounded. Could you possibly think of it as a bunch of people trying to find their feet?

Tricyrtis2022 · 03/12/2022 16:19

Could you possibly think of it as a bunch of people trying to find their feet?

This, entirely this.

Helleofabore · 03/12/2022 16:25

Perhaps you are right in that vest. I am willing to read how others think it will benefit the board though. There might be something I am missing.

I honestly cannot see how it would work except that someone who is not all that interested in engaging with the dedicated threads, and reading the collective work of posters with links and studies and experiences, would get an overall update and move on. Potentially missing some more up to date information or something significant, but thinks that is better than skimming a dedicated thread and at least appreciating the work put into those threads.

I am willing to listen though. Maybe it has worked well on other multi-thread sites. Like ovarit for instance.

Dotellhimpike · 03/12/2022 16:30

Kucingsparkles · 03/12/2022 14:30

Ah, now that a bunfight has started, this feels like a proper MN thread Grin

It's like one of those massive pie fights in Laurel and Hardy. Conforonation, sure but in a fun way!

bignosebignose · 03/12/2022 16:31

Tricyrtis2022 · 03/12/2022 14:54

dolorsit, there were a few explainers of biology to fuckwits at the other place. The more the merrier.

About three minutes into that Adult Human Female female someone mentioned gametes and I did a small nostalgic LOL.

bignosebignose · 03/12/2022 16:32

AHF film, even.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/12/2022 16:33

Tricyrtis2022 · 03/12/2022 16:19

Could you possibly think of it as a bunch of people trying to find their feet?

This, entirely this.

That’s exactly how I’m viewing it. I hope that new comers will feel more confident to engage & wont need a thread like this much longer

weaseleyes · 03/12/2022 16:39

Given there's now a bespoke chat thread for us refugees from the other board, it would seem reasonable to let this thread die out.

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