Women and girls' sex-based rights

[StephanieSuperpowers]

Well, here we are...

Sorry, I think on re-reading that half the staff thought Green was not bonkers enough, and the other half thought she was adequately bonkers but the wrong kind of bonkers.

Let us all pause for a moment and consider how those two groups of people view the thing that Green is mainly famous for; her evasion of UK law on surgery on minors, in this instance her own child.

It was either not bonkers enough, or it was the wrong kind of bonkers (and presumably should have been more so).

What the actual F.

It sounds like she’s pretty much as splendidly suited to her role at that charity as all the patiently queuing up bastards in the world (i.e. we) thought she was.

All the poor kids who’ve been irreversibly physically ruined by Mermaids-led lies, including detransitioners who we will all know on social media if not in our personal lives. The battle has to go on - Mermaids can’t be allowed to wriggle off the hook by Green being shunted aside, and Mermaids isn’t by any means the only dangerous organisation anyway. But this is a step in the right direction, in terms of child safety, so we can raise a glass to that tonight and rejoin the battle tomorrow. Or Monday, if we’re a bit tired and overwrought and need the weekend.

That link to the 14 yr old girl, that really moved me. Is that typical of UK schools right now? It's a scary thought, and probably the biggest issue here; what kind of world are we leaving to our children and grand-children? A world where ' being gender-fluid' becomes a reasonable option for 12-13 year olds, who should be encouraged to have their breasts cut off? It's a pernicious lie.

I am disgusted that any MP would casualy accept women forced into prostitution as a price of poverty. I am staggered that it is a woman MP from the Labour Party, and a self declared feminist. At what point do we say no, enough is enough, this is not just something we all accept.

twitter.com/NadiaWhittomeMP/status/1595839557278527488

It's hard to say, as I suspect it's quite variable. If you believe the campaigning organisations like TT, the discussions by WSOH here and on Twatter, etc, the broad generalisation is that the popularity of this stuff is much higher in "less deprived" school catchments.

The Corridor of Righteous Material is something I've personally seen though. A couple of years ago at Open Day at our catchment secondary - one whole corridor festooned with the various stripy flags, handmade alphabet-soup posters with all the catchphrases and biologically-incorrect blurb and dodgy stats and kid-friendly cartoons of baked bipeds. It was startling to me, as I hadn't long been corrupted into TWSOH back then.

(We didn't pick that school, not specifically because of the Corridor I hasten to add).

I can also confirm the sudden explosion of trans identification. This did happen in my DDs' school. Year 7, within the space of a few days/weeks, several girls* declared they were trans and had new names and pronouns (mostly NB apart from one who said they were a boy). The school have gone along with the names, I don't know about the pronouns.

*Girls in the correct meaning of "juvenile human female."

Sounds like a Kid's Company situation at Mermaids.

I've just caught up with this thread
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4689915-so-thats-why-susie-green-left?
and can I strongly recommend RedToothBrush's posts from around 11:45pm last night. She's done an epic analysis of the state of Mermaids.

(Actually I'm a total RTB fangirl, having nodded along, awestruck, to her insights into Brexit as well as the gender ideology issue, for years).

I am also a RTB fangirl, I didn't always 100% agree with her Brexit analysis but her arguments were always well constructed and evidenced. Something I respect.

The first time I saw RTB posting in FWR I gave a little cheer!

I am also a RTB fangirl

Same here!

Just fyi guys as you might know, threads here are capped at 1000 posts so when you get to page 38/39 you might want to start a new thread 😊

Or they could just try discussing these topics in the relevant threads that already exist 🥴

Women who can’t define a woman are sunk

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1c1b5b50-727a-11ed-8a5b-f385de7508fe?shareToken=d3c1903155a65fdf1bc8a915bbdc878c

’The Japanese knotweed of politics’

ABirdcage, how do you know we're not?

I think it would be nice to keep this going but make the title a bit more open... like include "overview chat" as it's definitely good to have a quick summary of all that's going on in one place.

TheTalk Exiles Roundup

Yes, this.

If you're going to have a thread that is only for a certain set of people, then please title it accordingly so regulars and lurkers don't get confused.

I agree.

I think you need to decide if you are here to actually join in on Mumsnet and all it offers across the various boards or are you here just to use MN as a resource to keep your particular group and the thread you were on elsewhere going.

At the moment to an outsider from your group it appears that you are trying to turn MN into an offshoot of where you have all decamped from and have zero interest in MN as a forum or the posters on MN, if that's the case you should have set up somewhere else that would allow exclusive access purely for your group and your group alone to talk amongst yourselves.

I’m an avid and long-term user of mumsnet, I just have a specific username for this thread.

I'm not that long term but have been here for about a year. Like Cyan, I name changed for this thread and a couple of others.

Not really sure what the problem is

Seems to be a bit of "we don't like strangers round these parts" gatekeeping going on. Mumsnet is huge, I am taking my time and getting to know it, this and the other thread are good anchor points for me, on hindsight maybe the title is a little misleading but is it really that big of a deal?

Quite the opposite, it seems the gatekeeping is coming from those who have chosen to come here from somewhere else and set up a thread for purely for those who were posting somewhere else, as evidenced by those posters using a different name just for this thread so that they are recognised as one of the group.

This thread discusses topics that there are already very active threads about elsewhere on MN in particular on this Board and the impression that is being given is that you (general you) only want to discuss amongst yourselves, you want to keep the group you were in together, you don't want to join in on the already established threads.

If that is the case, which as I say is the impression you are giving, then at the very least make it clear that the threads you start are purely for those who were part of that other forum, it saves everyone else wasting their time trying to join in or duplicating posts.

Join in the conversation VestOfAbsurdity, I promise you everyone who came over from somewhere else will be delighted to have another voice in the discussion.

I think it is a bit tricky. It is understandable that FWR regulars would be confused by this thread title. As a user of the other website I immediately recognised it.

I think a number of us were already on Mumsnet, some of the newbies are already posting in the other threads.

This is an online community I've been a part of for 25 years. The current site owner threatened to close the entire website because the other users had not driven posters discussing women's sex based rights from the forums. It is a terrible betrayal of what the website was meant to stand for and the number of users who said "meh just ban the bigots" just adds to that feeling.

I understand that all of this is pretty irrelevant to most FWR posters. I would be deeply saddened to lose the community of women who have been discussing this issue for years in a much smaller group.

Ideally, an ongoing chat thread elsewhere would probably be better, but the monitors would no doubt report it to be moved here.

For now I ask for patience. Let the newcomers have their thread to find their feet. I would suggest a new title with an opening post explaining the situation. I'll also add that I don't think it would be restricted to users of the other website it's just that some of the references will pass FWR regulars by.

I have, I have made several posts on this thread.