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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women and girls' sex-based rights

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StephanieSuperpowers · 25/11/2022 16:21

Well, here we are...

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StephanieSuperpowers · 02/12/2022 14:55

Yes, although what would have been the alternative right reasons won't be available.

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AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/12/2022 14:57

On the hostage situation statements, it's absolutely inane to claim that women as a class are more privileged than trans invididuals as a class. Robin Moira White is not inherently less privileged than a trafficked Vietnamese nail bar worker FFS.

On language: clear, lowest common denominator language is part of the NHS health communication unit style brief, for good reason: people can and do die from unclear language. This is basic pragmatics that has been known since the days of Quintilian FFS. The people / bleeders business goes completely against the direction of travel in health literacy work. I always want to say to the "what, you don't think women are people?" brigade on Twitter, "how are you doing, carbon-based life form?"

Kucingsparkles · 02/12/2022 14:58

druscilla · 02/12/2022 14:51

They'll say we were right for the wrong reasons.

Brilliant! GrinGrinGrin

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/12/2022 14:59

About 20 transmen a year give birth, I've been informed

Figures are hard to come by, but it's more than that (presuming you mean worldwide[ - probably in the low hundreds, extrapolating from what figures are available for Oz / the US.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/12/2022 15:00

And, I should have said, more women that than give birth too. About 800,000 women die in pregnancy and childbirth annually.

dolorsit · 02/12/2022 15:04

It will be argued that if only the wrong people (mostly feminists) hadn't been complaining then it would have been dealt with/recognised before. (And therefore the wrong people are to blame)

Or

If only the people talking about it had been nicer, kinder, politer and repeat the above.

Winterborne74 · 02/12/2022 15:09

Spot on.

dolorsit · 02/12/2022 15:09

Going back to taboos.

For most of my life talking about medical or fertility issues that impact women has been a taboo, clouded in euphemism.

As a society we are now starting to break those taboos and talk more freely but it feels like the taboo has become admitting that these things affect women.

Merrylus · 02/12/2022 15:21

Pink News has spoken. It was right-wing publicationswot dunnit!

www.thepinknews.com/2022/12/02/charity-commission-mermaids-investigation-statutory-inquiry/

Tricyrtis2022 · 02/12/2022 15:25

Interesting, lus!

Here's an archived thread for those who can't bring themselves to go to the main site: archive.ph/No1go

StephanieSuperpowers · 02/12/2022 15:34

The CC is going to find some pretty damning stuff if they're already coming out squawking rather than pretending it hasn't happened.

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duc748 · 02/12/2022 15:40

Kucingsparkles · 02/12/2022 14:24

I predict plenty of "well obviously we didn't support THAT sort of thing and it's frankly hateful of you to imply that we did" in response to anything and everything that ever goes on/ comes out.

It's funny, but for some inexplicable reason I read the bit in quotation marks in the "voice" of you-know-who from the Old Place.

Heh, those

duc748 · 02/12/2022 15:42

... softly spoken marine mammals again!

StephanieSuperpowers · 02/12/2022 15:43

A cursory glance suggests they haven't noticed so it's probably all fine.

If no-one says it, it's not happening.

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deeangelico · 02/12/2022 16:15

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/12/2022 14:59

About 20 transmen a year give birth, I've been informed

Figures are hard to come by, but it's more than that (presuming you mean worldwide[ - probably in the low hundreds, extrapolating from what figures are available for Oz / the US.

It was 20 in one year for Oz, I now see. Can't find anything for the UK.

SinnerBoy · 02/12/2022 16:59

Kucingsparkles

It's funny, but for some inexplicable reason I read the bit in quotation marks in the "voice" of you-know-who from the Old Place.

That could include several of them...

ExiledElsie · 02/12/2022 17:14

Who could possibly have predicted that a charity that promoted telling children what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear might be a tad dodgy.

StephanieSuperpowers · 02/12/2022 17:18

Evil bigots.

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SinnerBoy · 02/12/2022 17:24

I thought that was us, Steph? 😁

StephanieSuperpowers · 02/12/2022 18:16

Eggzakly.

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StephanieSuperpowers · 02/12/2022 18:23

Here's a mad one though. I was reading a celeb website and they were discussing the latest Kanye West stuff. Someone said that he was trying to become a professional victim like JK Rowling.

They've genuinely lost touch.

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Kucingsparkles · 02/12/2022 18:52

This is a stunning (and disturbing) read:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4689985-14-year-old-girls-stupendous-article-on-transgender-trends-website

Britinme · 02/12/2022 22:16

Clearly not written unaided by a fourteen year old - I think mum had a big part to play in that. That doesn't stop it being very very disturbing though. My grandchildren are currently 3, 4, 6, 7 and 10 and I am very worried about the impact of this on them, especially the 10 year old who will be heading into puberty soon (11 in April).

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 02/12/2022 22:18

archive.ph/q7vzG

(Daily Telegraph on Mermaids, specifically Susie Green leaving / being thrown out)

It reads as if half of the staff thought she was not bonkers enough and half thought she was too bonkers. No wonder the Charity Commission stepped in.

duc748 · 02/12/2022 22:19

So, met up with angelico tonight for a couple of beers, what a lovely fella! And nice to find a kindred spirit.

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