Women and girls' sex-based rights

[StephanieSuperpowers]

Well, here we are...

For now I ask for patience. Let the newcomers have their thread to find their feet. I would suggest a new title with an opening post explaining the situation. I'll also add that I don't think it would be restricted to users of the other website it's just that some of the references will pass FWR regulars by.

This makes sense to me.

As for name changing, from what I've seen here, most members change names fairly regularly for sensible privacy reasons. I have done so more than once since I've been here.

I understand that all of this is pretty irrelevant to most FWR posters. I would be deeply saddened to lose the community of women who have been discussing this issue for years in a much smaller group.

Ideally, an ongoing chat thread elsewhere would probably be better, but the monitors would no doubt report it to be moved here.

Might it not have been better to set up as a community on another type of internet forum in order to keep you all together?

VestofAbsurdity, we moved in a panic.

Are we being asked to move again?

Yes, just to reiterate no one is saying it is for only the refugees.

I have been delighted with the response that FWR has given to the newcomers, it's also been lovely to see posters who had left the other place years ago popping in to say hello.

I imagine that there will be a few bumps along the way as there are some differences between the communities.

I'm starting to wonder what size headgear VoA has?

I've lurked on Mumsnet for years (as have many of us who came over from the other place) and now that I've made a username here I'm starting to post on some other threads. But this site is huge and it's taking me some time to work out where to post, and to catch up reading some long threads. I don't think there's any intention of the group who joined together to stick in their own puddle, and as has already been said some posters were already Mumsnetters. Just give us a bit of time. It's only been what, a week? since the blow up.

No, you are not. You are being asked what your purpose is for moving here - is it to keep the group together to talk amongst themselves as you did in the previous place or is it to join in and be part and parcel of this forum?

Yes, just to reiterate no one is saying it is for only the refugees.

However, the impression being given is that it is.

As for name changing, from what I've seen here, most members change names fairly regularly for sensible privacy reasons. I have done so more than once since I've been here.

Yes we very sensibly do but we don't set up threads for distinct users.

Ah, how delightful. You know personal attacks on here are not allowed?

Now there's a lifeboat thread in Chat maybe there's no need to start a new one of these here when it fills up very soon, and use the other threads instead. While VoA is being rather direct, I can sort of see their point (even though my initial response was to feel rather unwelcome - yet again, and only a week after "the event").

I've namechanged again to disassociate from the old place entirely (was splatts).

I don't think we are being asked to move again. I've had this Mumsnet log in for at least a decade since ttc, and have learned so much from these boards. Am in awe of the regulars. I rarely post because Mumsnet FWR is too vast and fast moving for me, and it's easier for me to process filtered information via a single thread. But I can quite see why our sudden transplant and continuation from another place might seem annoying and cliquey to Mumsnet regulars who don't know us. I hope it will settle down quickly. I agree that the next iteration of the thread needs a name change, but this name in the OP to explain its origins, and as we settle in we'll get better integrated. More of us posting on other threads and more non-JTT posters joining us. Think we just have to accept it will take a bit of time to fit in. And as others have said, there is plenty of room for everyone.

I think (as a longtime, but not especially frequent MN poster, and a longtime, more frequent poster at the old site) that there's an element currently of huddling together for comfort, and that posters will branch out.

MN is so huge in comparison: it's like the difference between a gigantic US shopping mall and a corner shop! There are benefits to both, I guess.

I think that although we resented the discussion being corralled in one place, there were also benefits, in that you knew where to look for the whole kit and caboodle of GC 'stuff'. We couldn't even discuss it on any other thread about feminist issues, ffs. That does make me mad. So this is a huge change.

There are loads of threads for distinct users, if you need a gathering place to get your breath back and sort yourselves out then this is the perfect spot. Crack on. Call it a support thread because it is.

It's a bit like we've been institutionalised and are in the process of decompressing. It takes a while.

Might it not have been better to set up as a community on another type of internet forum in order to keep you all together?

This.

Welcome to my spreadshit, Pike.

In general, I understood where Vest was coming from. I wasn't particularly bothered by the thread, but it's bloody stupid of anyone to keep namechanging for this thread and then act surprised when people think you only post on this thread and not the wider demesne of FWR. I am very much bothered by stupidity. Also posts like that.

To reiterate for the stupid, if you have separate identities, others will think you're separate people.

Ah, now that a bunfight has started, this feels like a proper MN thread

"To reiterate for the stupid, if you have separate identities, others will think you're separate people."

So what?

if you have separate identities, others will think you're separate people.

I have taken this into account in the last day or so and started using this name elsewhere.

We are not being deliberately obtuse. What happened just over a week ago was shocking to all of us and we scrambled here in a big rush. Please give us time, it's only been a week.

That might still happen but this is not the first time Mumsnet has acted as a haven for people who have lost suddenly their online community eg the BBC boards closing.

What is unusual is that we are predominantly a group of women feminists discussing a topic that gets corralled into one area of Mumsnet. A number of us were already here - the first 24 hours of posts on this thread would have been made by existing mumsnet users. It was a very obvious first port in a storm.

Sadly I think we are too small a group for Mumsnet to make any special accommodations like they did when larger boards closed down. I'm not sure anyone would want mumsnet to do that.

Btw I just want to emphasise that I don't think you Abu to make your comments. I've been floating around the internet for 30 odd years. I know it can be disruptive to have a sudden influx from a different community.

Everyone here was new at one time and had to dive in without a hand hold, you soon pick it up.

Some people need to put on their big girl pants and get stuck in.

Thank you @SqueezyDragon , @PurgatoryOfPotholes and @dolorsit .

I think it just needs a little bit of patience, understanding and time. As someone who was more or less forced to leave the website in question years ago for similar, although different, reasons, I have sympathy for all the new and not so new posters here. I have no doubt that pretty quickly everyone here will feel the lay of the land and feel more confident to get involved in other feminist threads and then throughout the site.

Seriously, when years of being a part of community, in fact decades going back to the original guardian website, falls apart because you're a. A woman and b. Being treated as a bigot for perfectly reasonable positions, it's hard to immediately settle in somewhere else but it does/will happen.

I think any of us who are gc are aware that it can be pretty unfriendly out there so, yes, a little time will see a new bunch of pretty decent members settling in and adding a little more to this welcoming site.

It seems to me quite useful to have an ominthread in addition to the many other more specific discussions in the feminism folder - we were fored into that situation in the old place, and it's wonderful that here there are much more comprehensive discussions of (for instance) the Mermaids position, or the Balenciaga shoot, but it's also good to have a general discussion of the issues.

I suspect many of us are older that the Mumsnet average and have been round the feminist houses a few more times, which may make us boring, but maybe join in the thread rather than standing in the manger and barking at us.

I don't think the issue is anything to do with navigating around MN, or getting to know how to use it. Basically a relatively small community has been forced to jump ship, and chose here as a location to jump to knowing that it's a good place to be usually, as most of us have been MN readers for years and are very familiar with it. However MN has a LOT of users, and most of us have had different usernames on here - if we didn't have this thread we would probably have not found each other. It's one thing being forced out, it's another entirely then losing touch with most of our fellow evictees.

Actually bollocks to this, I've had enough of walking on eggshells and choosing my words carefully in the old place. I'm too old and grumpy and don't give enough of a shit any more, and that WoW expansion won't play itself.