Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

[ScreamingMeMe]

It does feel like the person here is bringing a very unhealthy dynamic

There may be many reasons for a person to show this inconsistent behaviour. It may not be a pattern of lack of integrity, there may be other reasons.

Cui bono.

If you are confused, who benefits?

Wow. Just wow.

Maybe because you don't check the credentials of a person before you sell a ticket to them?

For example, you claim to be a femisnist with Gender critical views, but have a TRA wife. It's very possible you could find out about a GC event and buy a ticket for your TRA wife. That wouldn't be on KJK, that would be on a dubious guest such as yourself.

And in terms of those doing the most to stir shit BEFORE the Brighton event, I'd say the Brighton Feminists releasing a sin page definitely was an action of stirring shit. If not actively endangering other women attending the event, by going out of your way to distort things KJK had said and play into all the disgusting lies TRA's say about her in order to paint her as a target.

I'm not sure whether it because you are married to a TRA, but you sure do echo a lot of their tactics.

Lastly, if you are claiming Sarah Summers is part of the Brighton Feminists, and is therefore part of a collective signing derogatory open articles attacking KJK, then I'm sure you can understand why some women will certainly not be inclined to donate any funds to her case.

Sorry @Sunpalace this was aimed at @SapphosRock
Maybe because you don't check the credentials of a person before you sell a ticket to them?

For example, you claim to be a feminist with Gender critical views, but have a TRA wife. It's very possible you could find out about a GC event and buy a ticket for your TRA wife. That wouldn't be on KJK, that would be on a dubious guest such as yourself.

And in terms of those doing the most to stir shit BEFORE the Brighton event, I'd say the Brighton Feminists releasing a "sin page" definitely was an action of stirring shit. If not actively endangering other women attending the event, by going out of your way to distort things KJK had said and play into all the disgusting lies TRA's say about her in order to paint her as a target.

I'm not sure whether it because you are married to a TRA, but you sure do echo a lot of their tactics.

Lastly, if you are claiming Sarah Summers is part of the Brighton Feminists, and is therefore part of a collective signing derogatory open articles attacking KJK, then I'm sure you can understand why some women will certainly not be inclined to donate any funds to her case.

So much ad hominem on here today, it's a tough crowd.

Anyway, someone I know was also maliciously reported to the police for hate crime, a similar situation to KJK, and she received some excellent advice from a top criminal lawyer. This was the advice.

All identifying details taken out and shared with her permission.

Tell a straight story and then I won’t point out your shitty behaviour

when you’re behaving badly, someone else pointing that out isn’t an ad hominem attack, it’s completely reasonable

Quite right @BernardBlacksMolluscs .

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes @SapphosRock .

Don't be surprised your vindictive attempt at maligning KJK has been shredded to pieces by Women who actually interrogate your hypotheses and find it absent of any rational/ logic.

I'm not sure whether it because you are married to a TRA, but you sure do echo a lot of their tactics.

Well, Sappho would admit herself that she’s an ex-TRA. Although I can’t remember whether she & Daimbars were on here at the same time - it can be hard to tell one TRA poster from another, tbh. I think they name change a lot.

I was at that party. It was a terrific night. But I don’t recall anyone checking my GC credentials when I bought a ticket.

Honestly this place. It's really difficult to have a proper conversation when people are making digs at my personal life rather than engaging with the thread. I'm just waiting for someone to say 'we see you' 🙄

Ad hominem attack <splutters>

From someone who appears to have screenshot everything Posie said and everything Posie did for years, that's incredible.

YOU brought your wife into the conversation.
YOU are making digs at KJK by alleging she is friends with an agitator journalist and a couple of posts later denying you said she had any connection with them.

And YOU brought the TRA poster Daimbars into the conversation.

Coming from someone who's utilised a lot of time obsessing over KJK's personal life, the irony of this post is quite something. If the circumstances of your personal life are relevant, or influence the way you conduct yourself on this forum, you shouldn't really be surprised if it's brought up.

A bit late to be playing the whole "I'm so above it all", when you've spent the last 3 days lying and maligning one woman, and having those myths repeatedly debunked.

If you actually want to engage on political points of disagreement @SapphosRock , how about you start with the truth and not lies of omission, hmm?

I do sympathise with your home situation Sapphos, trying to make a relationship like that work must be an absolute headfuck. The trouble is, the headfuckery comes across in so many of your posts - you must be able to see that surely?

You are also revealing some very personal information. I hope you're keeping yourself safe.

I've literally said nothing about KJK's personal life. Unlike the posters on here about mine.

What is an alleged friendship if not "personal life"?

You brought up your own personal life. Stop using it to defend yourself if you don't want people to comment on it.

Details you yourself have brought up @SapphosRock.

It would be quite the elephant in the room not to mention the fact that you evidently have close associations with TRA's, given you often make a point of attempting to highlight KJK's "far right" alliances, based on the most tenuous of links/ claims.

Are you going to answer the question as to why you consider a random journalist who admitted being a TRA until recently is of greater import to stirring up shit, than your Brighton Feminist collective creating a sin page and maligning KJK, setting her and any woman who attended her Brighton event, up as a perfect TRA target?

I'd be really interested in that explanation.

And your whole scktick about KJK making your life difficult in Brighton is commentary about your personal life!

@SapphosRock I've a great deal of sympathy for you because I was in your situation and understand that your partner is likely to be irritated at what you say even anonymously. It's not as black and white as sleeping with the enemy (it was this debate that revealed our fundamentally different views).

However ... you did say that EJ Rosetta was a friend of KJK and implied that KJK encouraged the TRA mob for publicity. I don't understand what the issue is supposed to be: even if EJR is a personal friend, KJK cannot be held accountable and there's no evidence of collusion (unlike the message I posted evidencing threats to co-ordinate a public trashing). From what I can see EJR is on the fence (she posted she's not a 'Terf' yesterday) and possibly just wanted the story. Whatever the case, KJK cannot be held accountable and it's precisely this sort of guilt by association that's so exasperating.

Are you going to answer the question as to why you consider a random journalist who admitted being a TRA until recently is of greater import to stirring up shit, than your Brighton Feminist collective creating a sin page and maligning KJK, setting her and any woman who attended her Brighton event, up as a perfect TRA target?

Yes I consider actively inviting TRAs to come to the SFW event and potentially behave violently to be more of a shit stirring act than not attending the event at all and writing a web page explaining why your views do not align with KJK's.

The 'sin page' is simply repeating things that KJK herself has said. KJK was the one who put them out in the public domain, not the Brighton feminists.

Simply stating that some feminists in Brighton don't agree with KJK's statements and will therefore not be attending her event is not a hostile act, its setting boundaries.

brightonsisters.wordpress.com/differences-of-opinion-between-bwlc-and-kellie-jay-keen/

I've just scanned through all 19 pages of this thread to remind myself of SapphosRock 's greatest hits.

First we had

I have no criticisms of KJK

which came with a side order of

Tbh I have similar feelings about KJK and the Daily Mail. The casual attitude to racism is problematic but they have both produced excellent content on women's rights.

and extra

KJK's alignment with far right groups and her comments on Muslims, abortion rights and donor conception makes that untenable

and of course the classic

None of this is benefiting women and girls, but I am sure KJK is selling lots of teeshirts so that's okay then.

Then we had this, when she had a little go at seeing if you could turn my 'reserve the right to bash WPUK' comment into some sort of implication of a threat of violence against the women who are part of it. That was lovely

Imagine if someone posted that they reserved the right to bash KJK. Odd language to direct at women working in the male violence against women sector. Jarring

Then we had KJK's imaginary friend

This journalist friend of KJK was messaging TRAs inviting them to come along and make videos.

which was quickly followed by

I am not pointing this at KJK. I am saying that EJ Rosetta was trying to stir up trouble in Brighton.

Then sticking with it by trying to imply that Posie had invited this person to a party - fancy!

I thought the pictures taken by E J Rosetta were at a private SFW party not an open event?

and then finally, when her bullshit gets repeatedly called out

So much ad hominem on here today,

I really, really feel for anyone in this person's life. it must be a total head fuck

Jesus this thread is a total head fuck. @SapphosRock i have followed your story for a while now, and really felt for you and admired your stance despite the challenges it creates for you is so many aspects of your life.

I am so sad at your conduct on this thread. You have been so disingenuous.
You clearly implied KJK was rabble rousing and your correction is so mealy mouthed it is untrue, you have not condemned the horrendous content about her posted by some of your associates and you have not committed to doing anything about it.

I am not entirely comfortable with some of what KJK says and does, i am still processing where i stand on her tactics. But regardless of where i land i would never feel the need to vilify her in the way your mates have (and you have done a poor job of concealing your contempt for her in this thread).

I have never been so confused and disappointed by a poster i previously respected. Its like @anyfucker saying "well, it was only a slap".

I really hope you reflect on the reaction you have had here. Definitely some learning moments in here.

Bernard, while you were checking did you see the bit where Sappho gave evidence of KJK inviting TRAs along to her event?