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Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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ScreamingMeMe · 21/11/2022 19:02

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/11/2022 15:11

guilt by association AGAIN

fuck me this is getting boring

do you do any other tricks?

SapphosRock · 25/11/2022 15:12

PatsArrow · 25/11/2022 15:10

Im not sure what pictures you mean?

How it normally works is, there's a public event. Women gather, some speak. Afterwards, word goes around as to where everyone is going for a drink afterwards. Not really a private event. No 'invitations' are issued.

I believe things have become tighter since because in Bristol we were kettled in the pub by Police while TRAs surrounded us. Often KJ doesn't attend to try and not attract the worst attention.

Not sure what else to say.

I'm talking about this SFW party in the link below. It doesn't look like a public event.

twitter.com/itsmeldaley/status/1550942776984059905?s=46&t=cdp371ykboxsby1z6hDzMA

beastlyslumber · 25/11/2022 15:14

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/11/2022 15:03

A person who can’t be honest with themselves is unable to be honest with others

and therefore may be more trouble than they’re worth to deal with

just sayin

I guess this is what it boils down to.

Thelnebriati · 25/11/2022 15:15

Did this thread just turn into Inception or what?

PatsArrow · 25/11/2022 15:15

I have no idea where of what that event was. There was a private S4W event in London in the summer. That was ticketed but again, open to the public to buy a ticket.
It's a big reach to imply this woman is a journalist friend of KJKs.

Rainforrest · 25/11/2022 15:16

PatsArrow · 25/11/2022 14:40

Also a journo friend who has been writing for Huff Post and Pink News for years. A very deep mole.

She wrote one piece for PN 8 years ago.

IwantToRetire · 25/11/2022 15:18

Irrespective of what is or is not appropriate if someone says that wouldn't take the mic because they were aware of their partner being there, then I am afraid it indicates that they are not working without taking into account the reaction from "the other side".

In terms of the SfW event that is maybe personal but if you are one of the women presuming to represent other women to the local council re what women want, specifically in relation to women only services and how to respond to threats from TRAs you should, with any decency and intergrity, not take part.

The public statement from the group saying Brighton Council should ask everyone to behave nicely is just inane, when there has been ample evidence of TRA intimidation. There was no follow up statement condeming the violence at the SfW event. So clearly this "feminist" group does not consider VAW a problem.

Added to which, please stop using Sarah as a virtue signaling strategy. First of all you should never have said she was part of the group, it is a gross invasion of her privacy and secondly, could comprimise her annonymity.

As a long time reader of FWR before recently joining it is clear that in fact it is this forum more than any other that has given her the public profile her case needed without using her is some totemic way.

I am anold school women's liberationist and realise current standards are different, but am truely shocked by this.

But also as an old school Women's liberationist I am not surprised that socialist feminists are manipulative, use private networks, and I am afraid, think anyone who isn't a socialist feminist is some sort of serf who needs to kept in line and instructed what to do and think.

Personally I think we should start a rumour, which may even be true, that WPUK never really cared about the GRA, they just thought it would be a tool to capture politically niave women into to joining the left. We could set up facebook groups and starting posting about how one of them was seen with someone from the Labour Party who doesn't even know what a woman is, for instance!

Happylittlechicken · 25/11/2022 15:19

So if KJK is ‘alt right’ by her associations, does that mean Sappho is a TRA? And as Brighton feminists are working with the TRA.‘behind closed doors’ does that mean they’re TRA too? So not feminists at all?

Yarnival · 25/11/2022 15:22

Added to which, please stop using Sarah as a virtue signaling strategy. First of all you should never have said she was part of the group, it is a gross invasion of her privacy and secondly, could comprimise her annonymity.

That's a really good point.

Cailleach1 · 25/11/2022 15:23

Goodness me. We are expected to recreate reality to think that those peaceful diddums(es) who screamed about babies being 'little Fascists'; threw missiles in an attempt to physically assault people; and, allegedly brought along a bag of knives weren't really the nasty gobshites they appeared to be. There were simply doing a favour at the (alleged) behest of KJK, who used a (completely unevidenced) bestie as a go-between to communicate the request.

First: There is definitely something fishy about that person being in the public square at the same time as the rally was going on. And, they forced the gobshites to act completely out of character and be gobshites.

Later: Oh, goodness, I'm not suggesting there is anything fishy at all. How can you even suggest I am doing that? It is other people who are doing that.

Is that the gist of the 'Pravda' version?

Sunpalace · 25/11/2022 15:23

PatsArrow · 25/11/2022 15:15

I have no idea where of what that event was. There was a private S4W event in London in the summer. That was ticketed but again, open to the public to buy a ticket.
It's a big reach to imply this woman is a journalist friend of KJKs.

Why was a self confessed TRA at a ticketed 100 people party for SFW in July when she only had her 'epiphany' after being commissioned to write a piece on JKR in September?

VestofAbsurdity · 25/11/2022 15:24

You are doing an awful lot of saying and then immediately not saying what you've just said Sappho.

Helleofabore · 25/11/2022 15:28

SapphosRock · 25/11/2022 15:06

I thought the pictures taken by E J Rosetta were at a private SFW party not an open event?

Was the SFW in fact an open party open to TRAs? If so my bad.

I believe this was the end of summer event. Open to anyone who bought a ticket.

How brilliant is it that a TRA can go to a party with women and not scream and abuse them? And how brilliant is it that at that time women felt comfortable attending an event without security.

That the TRA was female, well I am sure people understand the point.

By the way, how fucking awesome is it that a TRA journalist might have attended this event and had NOTHING, sweet fuck all!!, to report to Penis news!!!

PatsArrow · 25/11/2022 15:31

Why was a self confessed TRA at a ticketed 100 people party for SFW in July when she only had her 'epiphany' after being commissioned to write a piece on JKR in September?

Well, personally I think this re-peaked epiphany is a bit suspect. Maybe she's a TRA? Maybe she's a Terf? Maybe she's neither and is just stirring up stuff for stories?

The ticked event event though, was open to anyone to buy a ticketl 🤷🏻‍♀️

SapphosRock · 25/11/2022 15:33

Well, personally I think this re-peaked epiphany is a bit suspect. Maybe she's a TRA? Maybe she's a Terf? Maybe she's neither and is just stirring up stuff for stories?

My guess would be option 3

PatsArrow · 25/11/2022 15:34

Yes I think you're probably right.

NecessaryScene · 25/11/2022 15:35

How brilliant is it that a TRA can go to a party with women and not scream and abuse them?

Strange as it may seem, there is nothing stopping any TRA attending any open or ticketed event. They're not being "vetted" any more than all the other people who KJK's in trouble for not vetting.

The standing outside and screaming is not, in fact, compulsory. (It's merely traditional...)

But I guess in a certain binary black-and-white worldview, anyone not standing outside and screaming is a "friend"? I guess that sort of is consistent with all the previous "associating with" logic.

Sunpalace · 25/11/2022 15:38

PatsArrow · 25/11/2022 15:34

Yes I think you're probably right.

Thirded.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/11/2022 15:41

SapphosRock · 25/11/2022 15:33

Well, personally I think this re-peaked epiphany is a bit suspect. Maybe she's a TRA? Maybe she's a Terf? Maybe she's neither and is just stirring up stuff for stories?

My guess would be option 3

Oh, so this twitter random is not KJK’s friend after all?

can I put away my pitchfork?

you really are just here to stir, aren’t you?

SapphosRock · 25/11/2022 15:41

@IwantToRetire I am not going to fully reply to your post but I wanted to acknowledge that I have read it and I am taking your comments on board.

Sunpalace · 25/11/2022 15:42

By the way, how fucking awesome is it that a TRA journalist might have attended this event and had NOTHING, sweet fuck all!!, to report to Penis news!!!

She wrote one article for Pink News in 2014. * *

VestofAbsurdity · 25/11/2022 15:44

DrLouiseJMoody · 25/11/2022 14:34

Yes, I believe it's a pattern of behaviour. This, for example, was sent to me privately and once I published (because, presumably, I was supposed to be intimidated) named parties denied knowledge. I raised concerns, privately, based upon my own experience and six others. The response was "Yes, we know but please shut up for the good of the movement" and when I didn't I was threatened, lied about, had my wife's death weaponised (it's not remotely sane to blog I was "estranged" from my wife and DM people that I'm a domestic abuser), and two "feminists" befriend Stephanie Hayden to try and harm my case.

When I speak about such things I'm told I have a "grudge", lying, and acting out after being rejected (who on earth would want to associate with people sending messages like the one below?). I am guilty of saying unwise things at times. I am not guilty of the abusive behaviour evidenced below.

I'm pretty much OK with it these days but I see the same behaviour towards others and, yes, feel obliged to speak up incase some unthinkingly believe what is said about KJK and others. Some lies cause very real damage, in some cases to vulnerable women, and deserve to be called out.

That message is very authoritarian. Who the fuck died and made the person who wrote that Supreme Leader?

VestofAbsurdity · 25/11/2022 15:51

As a long time reader of FWR before recently joining it is clear that in fact it is this forum more than any other that has given her the public profile her case needed without using her is some totemic way.

Goes back to the idea that some women are just seen as a convenient resource to be tapped at will but not to be associated with, allowed to voice their own opinions or listened to.

The damage the attitude of some members of WPUK and some die-hard left leaning feminists are doing to the goodwill of other women to support their causes and campaigns is on their own head, but they will never look at themselves and accept that, far too busy being superior. They reap what they sow.

Helleofabore · 25/11/2022 16:02

Sunpalace · 25/11/2022 15:42

By the way, how fucking awesome is it that a TRA journalist might have attended this event and had NOTHING, sweet fuck all!!, to report to Penis news!!!

She wrote one article for Pink News in 2014. * *

Ok. Or report on Twitter or Huff post or wherever she is reporting.

The point is that if this woman indeed took the photo and was a TRA journo, she found nothing to report at the event!

MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/11/2022 16:12

Reading this thread reminds me of the headfuckery induced by my narcissistic, self aggrandising, gas lighting ex. He'd say one thing one minute, deny he said it the next minute, then make out he was being very reasonable and agreed with me all along, whilst at the same time still making insinuations that I was in the wrong and the thing he said in the first place was true, and not understanding why I was so upset with him and confused by his behaviour.

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