Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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Addressing the 'Muslim rape culture' remarks

Here we go, two articles authored by Julie Bindel. Just in case they were lost in the other post....

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"What I also discovered was that the police and social services appeared to be scared of intervening in these particular grooming gangs, because a large number of the men involved were of Pakistani Muslim origin. The professionals who were turning a blind eye did not want to be labelled as racist, and did not understand that all they had to do was make it clear that the majority of child sexual abusers and pimps in the UK are white men, and that they were abusing children because they were child abusers, not because they were from a particular ethnicity or religion."

and

www.tandfonline.com/eprint/gPwSDs5c5nWujWtMVYwn/full

"In response to coverage of a series of cases, journalists have been accused by academics, policymakers and rival media organizations of fixating on perpetrators’ ethnicity and creating distorted, racist media frames."

Because these accusations towards KJK need to be addressed every time. Because this is how this misinformation continues to spread and yes, Sappho, you are spreading it.

I know.

The logic twisting is really acute. I wonder if those doing the twisting need to visit a physio to untwist.

Why not start a thread about Julie Bindel's comments then? It would be an interesting thread, and surely this is the place to discuss it.

I'm finding it hard to stomach the hypocrisy.

I'd rather eat a fucking daim bar than this nonsense.

And this is the place to discuss KJK's arrest. Not her 'sins'. Why don't you start another thread on that, Sappho. Or would it seem too bitchy?

No, y'see, I did see the clip of her saying men with guns should use women's toilets and your interpretation of it is complete bollocks.

There's no way on earth you think KJK wants armed men in women's loos.

You've got fuck all. And, like many others, I'm putting this down to envy.

You can't write a whole list of perceived crimes in order to undermine the woman, and then complain that she doesn't do your work for you in Brighton.

You know it's personal when whatever she does, she's criticised. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

And, for the millionth time, how does it even affect you? You think she's a liability, you think she doesn't speak for you, so why the fuck do you try and undermine her?

She speaks for very many other women. Has helped very many other women. Including women in Brighton. Why would you try and undermine that?

Because it is NOT about Julie's comments.

It is about the disparity in treatment between two women making almost the same comment.

It is about the fact that you and the Brighton Feminists are not calling Julie a racist because of her remarks about the same grooming gangs that Kellie Jay is referring to or a homophobe for making statements about women being exploited for their eggs and their uteruses.

And the dishonesty of what Kellie Jay is being accused of.

Just like the fact she is being accused on a hate crime arising from her rally in Brighton.

Brighton Feminists are being just as dishonest about their accusations as the person who has reported her to the police.

Because most of the women here aren't in the habit of creating swathes of data to undermine other feminists or women's rights activists.

I think the reason that KJK annoys some people so much is because her tactic of enabling the TRAs to show how bonkers and out of control they are, is so successful.

This leads some people to fear that the ensuing sunlight is making a polite accommodation with their TRA friends impossible, because women will no longer accept it.

Yes. I also think the tactic, despite being wildly successful, isn't cerebral enough for some people.

Bing able to use logic, reason, words, and a sound premise would be wonderful - if it was always effective.

Showing up the motivations of violent, misogynistic, sexually driven males, yelling, spitting, and jiggling their fake breasts, is an instant and profoundly effective refutation of the entire ideology.

She doesn't even have to say anything.

I think Posie called Sapphos out years ago on here when she was a TRA and she has been stalking her ever since, recording everything she says just to stick the knife in whenever she can. It is an obsession.

And, for the millionth time, how does it even affect you?

The consequence of her event has been massively toxic for relations between women and the trans community - and between SFW supporters and local feminists. It's been divisive, bitter and horrid. The divide is so big that some women who support KJK are now even refusing to support local women's rights campaigns. That's how it's affecting me.

You think she's a liability, you think she doesn't speak for you, so why the fuck do you try and undermine her?

I haven't undermined her in any way. I have disagreed with some of the things she has said and done. That's it.

She speaks for very many other women. Has helped very many other women. Including women in Brighton. Why would you try and undermine that?

I said this before,l have no criticism of her, I wish her well and I do not want to undermine her.. I do however think the experience of a woman actually living in the city where she held her rally is relevant to this thread which is why I have contributed my thoughts.

That video has been very heavily edited with one-sided narrative sections in an attempt to create an impression that doesn't reflect the reality of the situation as it unfolded and gives you nothing of the background of the people involved.

Don't just look at the video. Check out the people behind it and ask yourself why they might have created and released it. You can start by googling Kitten Pinder, who had had a similar meltdown at a previous Filia conference.

Hannah Berrelli, in the red t-shirt, has since been thrown out of Lesbian Labour.

I didn’t like the sterilisation comment much. It was off the cuff and ill judged.

I have managed to dislike it without creating a page on the internet listing KJK’s sins, or contributing to a frankly unhinged facebook group

I have also managed to not make unfounded accusations of racism and Islamophobia against her, or blame her for the actions of people who are completely unrelated to her

it’s like I’ve got super powers or something

Here you go.

The transcript from the twisted "men with guns should use women's toilets" fame.

"...and men? for once, I'm talking to you. I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say? I'm so down with the American lingo! Maybe you carry, maybe you don't. Maybe you consider yourself a protector of women. Maybe you're that sort of man. Maybe you have a daughter, or a Mother, or a wife. Maybe you have a sister. Maybe you just have some friends. Maybe you just think that women are human and you don't need any
absolute connection with them to feel compelled to protect us."

"I think you should start using Women's toilets, men. Because you have every right to self identify. Clearly; don't do it and upset women and girls that are already in there, but just make a point of doing it. And maybe make the women feel ok about you doing it. If, you know, if you come out and you frighten someone. But it's about time you started using Women's toilets and saying that you identify as a woman, if stopped. And I think that's how you're gonna have
to... that's one of the many ways that you are going to have to combat the insanity of self-ID Even if it's not called self-ID, that's pretty much what you have, now, in the United States. And that's how you men are gonna help."

It is yet another extreme bad faith interpretation that was actually started by the extreme trans activists, let's remember that.

Now, do I agree with her calling for men to use the women's toilets. No. But I can see what she is trying to achieve here.

And it is NOT for man with guns to specifically enter women's toilets.... with their guns!

It is making the point about those men who seek to protect their family members by carrying guns as one way they do that.

"Maybe you carry, maybe you don't."

Or can people not read the 'maybe you don't'.

Just be fucking honest about what people are accusing her of!!!

The consequence of her event has been massively toxic for relations between women and the trans community - and between SFW supporters and local feminists. It's been divisive, bitter and horrid. The divide is so big that some women who support KJK are now even refusing to support local women's rights campaigns. That's how it's affecting me.

did her influence make some weak minded women stop doing what they were told?

so sad

The consequence of her event has been massively toxic for relations between women and the trans community -

Why?

"...and men? for once, I'm talking to you. I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say? I'm so down with the American lingo! Maybe you carry, maybe you don't. Maybe you consider yourself a protector of women. Maybe you're that sort of man. Maybe you have a daughter, or a Mother, or a wife. Maybe you have a sister. Maybe you just have some friends. Maybe you just think that women are human and you don't need any absolute connection with them to feel compelled to protect us."

"I think you should start using Women's toilets, men. Because you have every right to self identify. Clearly; don't do it and upset women and girls that are already in there, but just make a point of doing it. And maybe make the women feel ok about you doing it. If, you know, if you come out and you frighten someone. But it's about time you started using Women's toilets and saying that you identify as a woman, if stopped. And I think that's how you're gonna have to... that's one of the many ways that you are going to have to combat the insanity of self-ID Even if it's not called self-ID, that's pretty much what you have, now, in the United States. And that's how you men are gonna help."

Bold fail.

"The consequence of her event has been massively toxic for relations between women and the trans community^

So Tinsel was right. I can't bring myself to care what gender extremists think. They hate us and if you think that will change you must be prepared to bow down before these males. I'm not.

" - and between SFW supporters and local feminists. It's been divisive, bitter and horrid. The divide is so big that some women who support KJK are now even refusing to support local women's rights campaigns."

And you put that down to KJK, rather than your own behaviour? Why?

The divide is so big that some women who support KJK are now even refusing to support local women's rights campaigns. That's how it's affecting me.

Oh this is ridiculous. She didn't create the divide. She didn't write a whole list of things that are wrong with you or the Brighton feminists. She isn't pulling apart everything you say. She isn't trying to undermine you.

it's the other way round. It's you who is creating the divide

The consequence of her event has been massively toxic for relations between women and the trans community
This just proves the point I made in my last post. The damage was done by the TRAs acting in such an unhinged manner. Direct your ire and tone policing at them, not at women. The only reason for asking women to change their behaviour over something that wasn't their fault is if you think women are easier to control than the TRAs.

But the trans community loathe feminists anyway. Even the ones who bend over backwards but don’t bend quite far enough.

I seem to remember you saying that your partner was a TRA still Sappho, so that must be difficult…. she’s not Daimbars?????

Just as importantly, why is this Kellie Jay's fault? Or what had one group of feminists decided that any feminist in Brighton had to agree with to keep the trans community relationship sweet?

I don't want to be too identifying but some women have been receiving hate mail and there have been further TRA protests.