Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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The screen shots of her Islamophobic / casually racist Tweets are in the WPUK statement

womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker/

You know that Julie Bindel has obviously written extensively about the issues around the grooming gang.

Can you tell me what it is that KJK said that you don’t agree with and that Julie Bindel hasn’t said?

KJK is saying that there were issues around race regarding this issue, just as Julie Bindel said as well.

Hussy did speak, and it was to attempt to trend a slur at Posie for not kowtowing to her brand of "feminism"

Hence the muzzling request, but I agree with more sunlight on the despicable actions of the Brighton "Feminists"

I think that JB has said things I disagree with. Yet…I appreciate what she does. Because that is an adult approach to life.

I agree. I have huge respect for the work she's done although I can't warm to her. I'm sure she won't give a shit about whether I like her or not and nor should she. She should also be free to share a platform with whoever she likes without being branded guilty by association.

It's up to every individual to decide who to support and whether it crosses a boundary.

Some left wing feminists hold their noses and vote Tory because the Tories support women's rights, that's their choice.

WPUK decided KJK's Tweets crossed a boundary and cut ties with her, that's their choice.

What despicable actions are the Brighton feminists guilty of? Being fiercely anti racist?

And we are free to point out the very hypocritical stance they have taken.

So no? No, you are going to take the WPUK article at face value and not do your own research and thinking to analyze whether they are right or whether other ‘approved’ feminists have also said it and therefore highlighting that in fact, WPUK indulged in some bullying and monstering of their own?

You see… I cannot do that with issues such as this. I cannot be spoon fed my decisions like this.

I find it difficult to believe any adult outsources their opinions like this without very heavy investment in not thinking critically.

Julie Bindel wrote extensively about the issues of that grooming gangs.

Yet… only KJK is monstered.

At the very least sappho, be honest and say you have not done your own analysis and admit that WPUK could have a highly prejudiced interpretation of the tweets.

And perhaps, stop making accusations that you actually cannot uphold and are based on other people’s opinions and not your own careful and thoughtful analysis.

I was pleased to see how this was reported. Just the simple accuracy of stating Posie spoke "in support of women’s rights, including same-sex spaces." isn't to be taken for granted in Brighton.

www.brightonandhovenews.org/2022/11/22/woman-threatened-with-hate-crime-arrest-over-gender-critical-brighton-rally/

Brighton & Hove news is great with stuff like this, much better than the Argus which is totally captured.

I thought you didn't have any criticisms of KJK ?

@SapphosRock Islam is a religion, not a race. Your virtue-signalling self got your isms mixed up.

Posie criticised 7 year old girls being forced/ indoctrinated into wearing the hijab, and Iranian women are being beaten and killed for removing the hijab. Is that "racism" too?

Let's stop with the disingenuous bull. You either, as a feminist, have a problem with patriachal symbols of oppression, or you don't.

As for the other actions, JCJ mocking Posie with a bitchy post linking her to the Proud boys (without context) was also quite despicable. And let's not start with the Brighton Feminists releasing a statement prior to Brighton Let women speak, disavowing Posie, but yet still being the first ones out of the block trying to dictate the form of activism she should do at her own event.

Or falsely inferring that other women, including women of colour, who attended the Brighton event are 'fascists' just because they won't ice out Posie.

Heinous "virtual-signallers" is what these so-called 'Feminists' are.

I find it difficult to believe any adult outsources their opinions like this without very heavy investment in not thinking critically.

Really? I think it happens all the time. Well meaning people have outsourced their opinions to the likes of Stonewall, Mermaids, Pink News and the Guardian and look what has happened.

Nothing in those tweets is racist. If you think that's racist, you must also think JB is racist for similar comments she's made. She calls gender ideologists the 'trans taliban' ffs.

I think at this stage, we would be delighted if you guys did set up your own group, call it Brighton WPUK chapter of Radical Material Feminists UK or whatever, get a website, set out your stall, make it clear you are allied with no other group who are also broadly “anti-gender-identity-ideology”, and that while you might share some aims, you don’t necessarily share their analysis etc.

And then leave everyone else to do their Womens activism THEIR way. Thats a clear boundary. Maybe that would end this fighting.

Sex Matters have set out their stall (they’re not specifically “feminist”), and they never comment negatively on WPUK, do they? Despite WPUK platforming women like JCJ and Hanover Hussy, who've made a point of being derogatory towards Maya Forstater and Helen Joyce.

That's your opinion that you are entitled to.

Some women do view them as racist, are they not allowed to say so?

Erm HatefulHaberdashery that's exactly what we have done.

brightonsisters.wordpress.com

So anyway, Posie is getting quite some publicity this week.

As I've said before, one thing about her is her milkshake being extremely effective at getting the boys into the yard.

I did contribute to Julie's crowdfunder, and was delighted it raised 40K, and even defended her to other Gender Critical women, who thought she was being a grifter.

However, I most certainly wouldn't donate to anything Julie organises again, especially as she has made it clear, she wants nothing from Gender Critical women: twitter.com/bindelj/status/1587389259304108032?s=20&t=GYZYNfOH3ss9MbfEkUSk0w

I'm also bemused as to why she raised 40K, just to send a legal pre-action letter, and then settle with Nottingham Council. Not sure what happened to the rest of the funds, since no legal action letter should cost that much, even with the undoubtedly stellar cast of lawyers she had lined up to fight her case.

Except you haven't left everyone else to do their Womens' activism THEIR way, have you? You keep trying to dictate how other women want to politically organise, and when you receive pushback on that, try to make out there's something morally wrong with them.

That's the problem. Most of the time you spent slagging KJK off after Brighton, she was busy doing her American tour, doing a bit of consciousness-raising and connecting women across the vast geographical planes of the USA, whilst you sat behind keyboards, bitching.

Ordinary bystanders take one look at that behaviour, and know what "feminist" grouping not to join.

So fiercely anti racist you're willing to put the absurdity of critical race theory and fear of being seen to be Islamophobic in front of the actual suffering of women of colour - all in order to score points against someone like KJK, who has the guts to speak the truth. As a woman of colour myself, people like your Brighton group revolt me.

Yes. This is true.

And are you now doing it yourself?

Do you honestly not feel a little uncomfortable admitting that you have outsourced your own opinions to WPUK and others when it is clear to others that they seem to malign KJK for things others in their own group have said?

No even a fissure of unease that maybe these groups have resorted to bullying as we are pointing out? That they have engaged in a witch hunt?

There's currently a constructive conversation started between Julie Bindel and Meghan Murphy - two feminists who disagree on some issues but wanted to debate in a more thoughtful manner. This is a productive use of time when women disagree over feminism. juliebindel.substack.com/p/can-feminist-causes-be-furthered

I know KJK doesn't call herself a feminist, and I think that's a shame. From everything she does she ACTS like a feminist. I think taking your balls home and going your own way might have been self-preservation in her mind, but I believe a lot of women would like to see some healthy, moderated and less-faction oriented disagreement. Sometimes it seems like it's a sorority matchup. JB and MM have both made mistakes, pissed people off and criticized tactics, just like KJK. Frankly, I wish they'd all get into a room, maybe invite Kara Dansky, and discuss what's working, what's not and how they can agree to shared goals.

I used to engage more in these debates but it makes me tired.

Arrrgh pressed Post too soon! She is talking about Mumsnet tonight

I used to engage more in these debates but it makes me tired.

I think we’re all getting tired. Let’s have a break.
I have Tunnocks, that feminist staple, & Daimbars (went to IKEA at the weekend.) Anybody want something?