Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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*try to kill the ball away... ugh edits

A call to arms. Be the billboard, wims. Good luck Posie, we know you never lose.

Hey hey hey!

#NotAllBrightonFeminists

The views of that stupid fucking Facebook group and the sun page are not reflective of all of us. The purity spiralling and frankly TRA-esque behaviour of certain feminists in the local area has alienated a lot of us.

@SapphosRock
Out of all you say I'm getting one clear message forming. KJK should just shut up and go back under her rock. You blame her for the actions of others. She exposes the hypocritical and violent activism of the TRAs for all to see. The funny thing is if TRAs weren't so aggressive and violent then KJK wouldn't be such a big deal.
It seems to me that you only want women who agree with your views to have a say in society. The thing is everyone gets a say.
Good luck trying to shut KJK up. The woke stazi plod are giving it another go, but instead of getting the "shut up" message everyone is just getting their popcorn ready and waiting to watch the KJK fireworks.

This is a win for KJK. This is not a win for Brighton women.

But that's down to you and your group. You're the ones framing it as win or lose. You're the ones who are talking about us and her. You're the one's demonising KJK and those who support her. You're the ones who won't let go. You're the ones who won't just let up. Your group has dug itself into a PR hole - all by itself and now can't get out and guess who you are still blaming?

Great to see you TheHarpySings. Well said.

I’m not even in the same country as KJK yet a win for her is a win for me because fighting to retain the definition of woman=adult human female and to maintain the right for women to speak directly benefits me as a female.

Court cases in other jurisdictions may or may not.

But clear, unequivocal language and free speech absolutely does.

I have little idea about the group in general. Which is why I asked up thread if those on the fb page and who created the sin page are outliers.

Are they outliers? Are they influential? Are the feminists in positions of organising and if so, are they representational of those in those positions ?

What is the feel of others if they don't agree with these feminists?

Good call. I think it looks like a very small number who are using horrible insults and slurs, and a few more who are going along with it. Sorry to hear it's affecting you.

I understand though Harpy if you don't want to answer.

The message that came over load and clear after the Brighton event and is still coming over loud and clear from Brighton Feminists and some Women's Organisations on the Left is:

Brighton should be a no-go area for KJK, SFW and any woman who wishes to speak at such an event.

Women who may be more on the right of the political spectrum must not speak at all let alone at a SFW event in Brighton.

At a public event which the organiser(s) has no control over who attends, who speaks or who films and shares the event the organiser is automatically guilty and deemed to be working with, co-operating with any and every person who is there.

Hilarious regarding a Brighton Feminist being muzzled and the outrage around that when that is exactly what Brighton Feminists and a number of feminists who state they are on the Left of the political spectrum are demanding happens to KJK and any woman who does not attain the standards they set politically or otherwise. Oh but those despicable women who mustn't speak must fund us in our efforts and in anything we ask for because we're the Good Guys.

No, thank you.

Not "some Women's Organisations on the Left". Just One. WPUK.

And everyone sees it. All the other groups are getting on with their own thing, or work in tandem when needs be, just fine.

But a lot of WPUK Affiliates just seem to be overgrown bullies, using the tactics of the playground. Or emulating TRA behaviour.

Whoever got the police to act KJK will be feeling powerful, self righteous and will claim that she’s only got herself to blame for breaking the law by saying things that upset them.

Not that KJK has broken the law at all but this is the TRA mindset. It’s ironic from a group of people who constantly accuse others of fascism.

They are only too happy to use the police to bully women into silence.

I've never heard of them either.

And to be honest, the only frame of reference is that they don't like KJK. That's what they're known for.

That's it. I'm sure no one on here would've even known who they are otherwise.

Haha!

this is the other thing that people like about KJK. She is absolutely consistent.

Some are women who are quite active in local campaigns and grassroots groups here, and have done good work. Unfortunately the attitude that was displayed prior, during and after the SFW event towards KJK was, to put it mildly, off-putting. Women who have contributed to campaigning for women’s rights in a variety of ways (eg tweeting from tribunals, pushing back on anti women policies at work etc) who didn’t immediately denounce KJK and SFW on the grounds that KJK is apparently in league with the far Right were accused of being apologists for racism.

The reasoning seems to be that the “Brighton Feminists” and WPUK have been working on softening up the Labour Party to the GC point of view behind closed doors for a long time and KJK is jeopardising their hard work with her campaigning. However, there seems to be zero public evidence of any concrete impact that they are having, whilst KJK’s very clear and simple messages are penetrating with the media and public, and her public events where any woman can speak of her experiences seem to be of a much more socialist mindset than a closed meeting where you have to pay for tickets and can potentially be trapped in a venue by TRAs

Speaking for myself, I don’t like being told what to think by others, and I don’t trust the trade union/WEP/ labour aligned feminists make unacceptable concessions on single sex spaces to the Labour Party, given they’ve prominently platformed males who have admitted to using women’s spaces and claimed to be “lesbians”.

I think deciding not to go is a very brave decision. I imagine the police wanted her to turn up so they could tell the complainant that they had investigated but there was insufficient evidence to bring charges but now KJK has called their bluff and they'll either have to drop the matter or arrest her. The complainant won't be happy if they don't arrest her but the police will know that arresting her will not be a good look and it will be filmed and uploaded. What a shit show and a complete waste of time.

Thanks Harpy. I appreciate you answering. It must be very difficult to see such extremism in your position then.

All of this. I don't like the 'head girl' term but it's really hard to argue that the mentality doesn't exist.

WRT the HOO debacle being the lasting legacy from the Brighton event and it therefore doing more harm than good, allow me to let you into a secret which represents a good comparison.

A while back, I discovered that the Trans Widows Voices website had been linked on Breitbart, obviously without my permission (in an article by Natasha Chart IIRC). Clearly as a former Labour Party member and Trade Unionist, I was not particularly happy as Breitbart does not align with my values.

I thought for a couple of minutes about whether I should be annoyed, and then I thought, no, right wing women become trans widows too, and if they see the website via Breitbart then that’s great, and the Guardian has yet to come knocking.

And then do you know what I did about my fears of guilt by association? I told NOBODY ABOUT IT AT ALL, so nobody knew until now. I didn’t start multiple passive aggressive threads all over social media to disassociate myself, I just ignored the thing I didn’t want to amplify.

I’m an ordinary working mother and I can come up with that strategy all by myself. I’m really not sure why Sappho and the high minded feminists can’t do the same.

I actually haven't criticised KJK on this thread, in fact I praised the way she handled the call with the police.

It's almost as if posters want more conflict and drama between KJK and feminists which is a shame.

Just want to add my voice. #NotAllBrightonFeminists.
I was brought up in the town and now live in a little town not too far away. I probably know some of you. I was at the Brighton event, which despite the protesters, was fantastic. I couldn't hear much of the speakers but met so many people including passers by who were interested to chat about what was happening. The drinks party at the end was a wonderful celebration.
I just want to say to the 'Brighton "feminists"' - I'm ashamed of you. The previous poster who mentioned tra tactics was spot on. I joined this battle because I'm a woman and because I believe in free speech and diversity of opinion. I grew up in a town that valued difference and was proudly non conforming. It was open and exciting. You are not the spirit of my town. Shame on you.

Sapphos I have no bone to pick with you but the majority of your posts on this thread have come across as digs (veiled in varying degrees) at KJK.

If that was not your intention then I accept that, and can only say your tone isn't serving you well.

It's almost as if posters want more conflict and drama between KJK and feminists which is a shame.
False allegations are projections.

You were snidey about her selling t-shirts, you said her event was negative, you blamed her for Helen Saxby being on the HoO stream. That's just on this thread. I don't think people are imagining your hostility so, you know, enough gaslighting nonsense.