Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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Gees Tinsel.... How do you live with the fact that more women who need the site can find it.... 🙃 (I believe this emoji is used for sarcasm...)

You did say this about KJK earlier on this thread Sappho:

"I thought KJK's rule was ignore political allegiances and fight the good fight?
Clearly actually backing tangible causes in Brighton & Hove that directly support women and girls is a step too far if it means KJK aligning with feminists".
Did you mean it as a compliment?

And then do you know what I did about my fears of guilt by association? I told NOBODY ABOUT IT AT ALL, so nobody knew until now. I didn’t start multiple passive aggressive threads all over social media to disassociate myself, I just ignored the thing I didn’t want to amplify.

Steady there with that common sense. This point was made several times on the HOO/Baby Screamer thread. It's why I'm confident we will win in the end. Some of us have sufficient control of our emotions that we can resist the temptation to indulge in public displays of outrage and pursuit of personal vendettas in order to play the long game.

What's with the t-shirt seller digs then? Do you admire her for her sales tactics or something?

You may not realise how you come across but it's absolutely obvious you don't like her and will pick on anything she does. You're also using guilt-by-association tactics just like the TRAs. Why not just ignore her and let her get on with it however she wants and you do the same?

"Brighton feminists" have brought criticism to themselves from what I can see.

49K views on you tube. That police officer is going to be mortified. I bet it was male colleagues who dropped that on her desk. I feel a bit sorry for her now.

Logic would dictate that, yes!

Also, their side is the one denying the existence of sex, and thereby the existence of sexual orientation.

Wonder if this has peaked any police officers?

You have chosen to come onto this thread, complain that you and your fellow Brighton feminists are still apparently suffering "fall out" from KJK's Brighton event, repeat the untruths about Helen Saxby's streaming on HoO being KJK's fault, criticised her for not campaigning for girls and women in Brighton (such that her activities on behalf of all females have apparently no benefit for females in your locality) and made snide remarks about t-shirt sales. You are the one stoking conflict and drama. It wouldn't have occurred to me that a GC feminist may have reported KJK until you started posting, and now I think it's possible.

This is a win for KJK. This is not a win for Brighton women.

You mean you and your chums. I doubt Helen Saxby was the only Brighton woman to speak there - I haven't heard anyone else complain.

You don't speak for all Brighton women any more than KJK. That's not even taking into account that you were on the TRA side until vey recently. Until things started to personally affect you.

Well, let's leave this thread aside, because honestly I can't be arsed, but what do you/did you hope to achieve in criticising her? As I said, what is the actual goal?

Just read the thread. Genderism affects ALL women doesn’t it?So regardless of UK left or right leaning politics, women from all political leanings will have a view. It is why the cross party discussions led by Baroness Nicholson were good in starting to get awareness out in a way that establishment figures will find harder to ignore than social media.

This movement can’t be owned by the left alone.It is a turnoff to constantly hear that only labour voters have a moral backbone or an ethical approach. I say this as a left leaning politically.

I’m grateful to Sapphos for continuing to speak though because how can differences be worked through if not aired?
Also, Posie’s shop has some fab stuff in it right now. I hadn’t looked for a while. Got a few nice Xmas pressies. Glad to raise awareness, be the billboard - whatever. Glad also that money helps to fund her activism. No problem with that at all.

I realise I might not have been clear, but speaking of those feminists who insist that only left wing women can fight this cause, because only Labour support women in any way. I don't agree with that.

Well, let's leave this thread aside, because honestly I can't be arsed, but what do you/did you hope to achieve in criticising her? As I said, what is the actual goal?

I have no criticism of KJK, I hope she doesn't get arrested, she handled the call with the police with good grace and I wish her well.

WTFKINGFUCK. What a fucking waste of time and energy.

I have no criticism of KJK
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Good to hear it.

I have never understood why women criticise KJK after she has shown so much leadership and courage, at many times very obviously affected, although she pretends to be nails. But the fact that some feminists do criticise her is better aired and understood. Think your post is gracious here @SapphosRock To me it sounds like you are working through issues as you go.

To me it sounds like you are working through issues as you go.

Sounds to me like damage limitation. But if it means all biased posts criticising KJK are a thing of the past, then that's fine with me.

No it isn't. We all know KJK has critics. It is good to try to work out why. Mumsnet is accused of being an echo chamber. It isn't.....

That's not even taking into account that you were on the TRA side until vey recently. Until things started to personally affect you.

An irony that should not be forgotten. Because I remember the TRA flavoured threads she used to post, and I remember the point where it started affecting her and the conflict she found herself in with her wife, and I remember the amazing response of regulars on here when she became GC. That she cannot afford the same graciousness to women (and men) on the right ( or whom she perceives to be right wing) doesn't smack of an enlightenment that people can come to gender criticism from many different angles because the concerns are universal.

Well we know they won't be. But the ball will get batted back until the game is over!

@MoirasSaggyBundles understanding different view points makes a person vulnerable, and it take time and effort. I think if someone says she has changed her mind following a conversation, then give her a break.

Yes, not least after TERF was described as a slur akin to using P* for people of Pakistani in one of the recent court judgements - Allison Bailey's, perhaps?

And I think have some self awareness.

Fair enough - I sounded a bit school-marmy. Sorry! Genuine apology. But I also felt a bit of ganging up on a single person which didn't feel great to me.

Assume this is in reference to the police investigation? And yes agreed.