Just despair - HOW do some women just not get it!

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Just finished a brilliant novel written by a female author about friendships, girlhoo, womanhood, and growing up as a girl. She was so absolutely on the money about what it’s like to be a young woman and the pressures of looking and acting a certain way, the awful way women are so often treated by men, the way women are portrayed in the media, how we are programmed not to recognise sexual assault and told its just boys having fun, and how we aren’t believed even if we do report it. Her anger and passion really came through and it was good, though depressing, to read someone telling it exactly like it is.

You know what’s coming. I then look on her social media. She’s a TRA. Signed a letter condemning JKR for being ‘anti trans’. Condemns Germaine Greer for being so wrong on trans issues.

I just don’t understand how these women can see the misogyny everywhere they look BUT the place where it’s in its worst, purest form - gender ideology.

Its like a glitch in the coding somewhere. Why can’t they see it? I have another friend who is on the board of a rape charity. We had long conversations about how shit it can be to be a woman. The misogyny everywhere. I was sure she must be GC. But no. A TRA. Doesn’t speak to me now she knows I’m a TERF.

I just don’t get it. Is it fear of societal disapproval? A reluctance to admit the liberal progressive cause they publicly embraced is anything but and that they’ve been had?

It is the same as the argument that there is no evidence of harm to women, only 'incidents' and 'anecdotes'

Refuse to register meaningful data, hide data of one group in another group, refuse to share data, refuse to investigate and you can claim there is no harm in letting any male person request and get a transfer to womens prison with loads of women to harrass and assault in a more lenient and open environment. Any male. Self id remember

It doesn't need to tell us that. It tells us that there are more sex offenders claiming to be trans in prison. That's meaningful because it suggests that there is some reason why sex offenders would identify as trans.

You argued back against the suggestion that there is some benefit to sex offenders to identify as trans, suggesting by way of analogy that they really are trans and not pretending. So surely this statistic should really worry you. Why do you think that there are more trans sex offenders in prison than non-trans? Is this you being transphobic?

Omg 😃

I am intrigued what we all do in life in order that you can dedicate such time and energy in to this thread on a Monday afternoon 4pm! Work? Children?

Anything?

What are you on about? I’ve said nothing of the sort.

You wonder why the data doesn’t exist? The U.K. Government wanted gender added to the census, and who protested this and then refused to do their census forms? Or spoiled them online? GC protesters so we still don’t know what % of the population is what gender. The police wanted to start collecting data on the transgender identity of criminals and victims, but who protested and blocked this? GC protesters again.

Can you please provide evidence on what you think feminists have done that makes you write this.

This is what I'm on about:

PP says: I suspect that many are sexual predators appropriating a trans identity to use gender distress as a mitigating factor at their trials in the hope of a more lenient sentence or they hope to be housed in the female prison estate. One can only speculate why a sexual predator might find that option appealing.

You respond: Many is it? I suppose I should be grateful you don’t think it’s all. It’s eeerily similar to the “many economic migrants appropriate a refugee identity to use asylum seeking as a mitigating factor at the border in the hope of free housing and benefits. One can only speculate as to why an economic migrant might find that appealing” ….how much of your view is based on bias? Think about it.

What else are you suggesting here other than that these sexual predators are genuinely trans? If that's not what you meant, what did you mean? Because it sounds pretty fucking transphobic to me.

Given that 98-99% of sex offences are committed by males, I think we can safely presume that very nearly all SOs in prison are male.

Ironically, I always think it is the programming they have had to 'be nice'

It does seem terribly nasty not to be compassionate to someone when they seem in some sort of psychotic episode

Funny you accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with you of being “thick” and you cannot understand simple statistics.

The figures do not show a higher rate, they show a higher porportion. The figures cannot be used to deduct representation or likelihood of sex offending.

a wonderful example of Pigeon chess in the wild

I think it is quite clear that readers of this now fast moving thread can see the questions that are being ignored.

It is not unusual.

Do you agree that transitioned male show that they commit sex crimes at a rate that is closer to males than females?

yes or no

and

By the way, are you comfortable with a transitioned male who is a stranger to your daughter assisting your 5 year old daughter to get dressed and generally watching a group of 5 year olds get dressed?

Are you comfortable with a young girl being in a situation where they could be sleeping in a room/ tent with a male if appropriate procedures are not being followed on a girl guide camp? One that could walk into an open shower block without any questions to check on the girls in there?

Are you comfortable with a naked semi-erect penis on a male who is sliding into a spa bath within one metre directly in front of and at eye level to either a six or a nine year old girl who is also naked?

What steps do you think the spa owners should be able to take to prevent such a thing from happening, if you are uncomfortable with it?

(I am posting these later questions because you are either missing them, ignoring them or dismissing them. I actually don't think you will answer them but I have tried)

And your point? You don’t seem to understand that by adding in the 85% of women convicted for theft that that would artificially depress that % of sex offenders down a tad? And that you cannot direct compare % of transgender who are sex offenders to % of any other group who are sex offenders to get any inkling on risk or likelihood,

Astonishing, isn't it? Useful demonstration.

@Helleofabore
Do you agree that transitioned male show that they commit sex crimes at a rate that is closer to males than females? yes or no

I didn’t ignore your question. I answered it with an unknown because the data needed to calculate these figures does not exist.

The figures do not show a higher rate, they show a higher porportion.

I see.

Absolutely, I’m stunned at the state of our education system and really glad my DC took statistics courses.

I doubt it.

@Helleofabore
all your other questions are derails. And irrelevant. Already agreed to safeguarding.

I am going to post this link up.

www.sexsegregatedprisons.info

This is Clare's site and she does have the statistics broken down from a column on the spreadsheets from the MoJ. She did show me where, but I have forgotten.

The information about trans prisoners is collated and she and others then check them.

I am pretty comfortable with her figures. She is after all an aeronautical engineer if I remember correctly and as a victim of assault.

Thread is indeed fast-moving - would be interested in @Onnabugeisha 's response to this, that they either missed or didn't want to respond to -

Could you explain how you 'pretend to be a transwoman'? Isn't it by stating what gender you are that you are that gender? Or do you think there is any 'test' you can do to see if someone really is that gender?

The Scottish government wanted to allow people to answer the question ‘what is your sex?’ by giving their gender (assuming they have one)

thus totally ensuring no one can tell who is trans or which way is up

feminists took them to court to ensure that people were instructed to answer the question ‘what is your sex?’ With their actual sex

collecting gender too could be interesting (for most people I suspect it’s ‘huh?’)

maybe you could campaign for this?

Nope, haven't accused anyone of being thick. And, whether it's rate or proportion, you still haven't answered the question why the statistic is meaningless to you.

Come on ladies, it isn't men who claim they are women who are more of a risk of sex offences it is men who say they are women. This shows that it is the men who say they are women who are dangerous, not those other men who say they are women.

Clear as mud.