Scottish hospitals warned over isolating transwomen

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scottish-hospitals-warned-over-isolating-transwomen-dwc6dwvw5

To have a wank.

I listened to that last year. Unbelievable

Why would a transwoman be on a maternity ward?

If they can convince the staff and policy makers that they are female, I'm sure they can also persuade them that they are 'in labour' or 'giving birth'. Why stop at just the one lie, when woke culture ensures You Must Not Be Contradicted?

Makes me glad that gave birth during the pandemic as the hospital was only offering private birthing rooms.

Serious answers only please. I'm pretty sure even you don't think someone would go through YEARS of medication and therapy and surgery and legally changing their name/gender etc just to sneak onto a maternity ward to masturbate. Its probably easier to become a midwife.

Since maternity wards house patients that are pregnant/have been pregnant then surely a transwoman who cannot physically become pregnant would never have need to be there. Hospital admissions are a bit more robust than "believing" someone is pregnant. If everyones issue is having "biological males" on wards then its hardly going to happen on a maternity ward is it?

Do you really believe that a man has to go through years of medication and therapy and surgery and has to legally change his name in order to become a 'transwoman'?

All a man has to do to become a 'transwoman' is to say 'I am a woman'.

Serious answers only please. I'm pretty sure even you don't think someone would go through YEARS of medication and therapy and surgery and legally changing their name/gender etc just to sneak onto a maternity ward to masturbate...

Of course they wouldn't! Pffft, how transphobic to think that only men who have been through any kind of physical or legal changes are actually women. They just need to say they are a woman and all the doors will be held open. And then they can intimidate women, pour piss over themselves, take photos - in fact do whatever they want with the blessing of the NHS.

I agree, I don’t think a transwoman would ever normally be in a maternity ward except as a general visitor.

The other poster who said that was probably thinking with horror of the sexual fetish sometimes associated with males (identifying as women) breast feeding.

But there again might a trans woman come in as a breast feeding ‘mother’ in addition to the baby’s birth mother? Anything is possible now probably.

Trans men in action.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11435895/Trans-man-admits-fear-hairy-legs-bound-chest-getting-cervical-smear.html

Do you genuinely need this explained or are you being deliberately disingenuous?

If they quite happily force you to keep the curtains open with actual males sitting around the ward who are not patients then they absolutely will have no problems forcing you to keep your curtains open if you're on a ward with a transwoman.

Yes - I would like it explained to me how a human being that is incapable of being pregnant would be a patient on a ward exclusively for humans that ARE capable of being pregnant.

Again.....do you think a man can just dress as a woman, rock up to a maternity ward and be admitted as a female patient?

Come on! Its getting silly now.

Jesus christ.

Its nothing to do with the maternity wards.

One posted said that they wondered if they'd be made to keep curtains open with a transwoman on their ward.

I then gave an example of being on a ward, which happened to be maternity so was therefore full of males allowed to stay all day long, and being forced to keep the curtains open due to short staffing. Even when getting help with latching.

If they will make you keep the curtains open with actual males who identify as Male and every knows are men then they will absolutely make you keep the curtains open on any ward even with a transwoman and you saying you want privacy.

They dont care about giving you privacy and dignity. They especially wont care just because of a trasnwomen because their policy is that "there are only women here." They didnt care for me when it was men identifying as men. They wont care for anyone when its men identifying as women.

Also.......if you had issues with nursing staff not closing your curtains on a maternity ward you should have spoken up and asked them to close them! Thats an issue with those staff on shift at the time. Absolutely NOTHING to do with the issue of transgender folk in hospitals.

Very few transwomen have any kind of medical intervention 93% its NADA NOTHING. fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

From the Daily Mail link a few posts back. Does anyone scientific know anything about this genes found in transgender people?

Not that it would mean being transgender is not a socially/psychologically driven adaptation of people with certain genes.

“Scientists recently uncovered 20 genes linked to being transgender – supporting claims that the condition has a physical basis”

“Researchers from Vanderbilt University Medical Center, George Washington University and Boston Children’s Hospital believe the gene variations may contribute to people identifying with the opposite sex”

“Critics of transgender identity say the condition is ‘all in the mind’, and transgender people have a psychological problem rather than a medical one”

“But by highlighting genetic mutations that affect brain development, the latest findings point towards transgender identity having a physical basis”

“US researchers tested 14 female-to-male and 16 male-to-female patients at gender reassignment clinics”

“Presenting their research at the Society for Reproductive Investigation conference, the researchers said: ‘We identified genetic variants in 20 genes that may play a role in transgender identity”

“‘The most promising of these include variants of genes involved in neurologic development and sex hormones.’”

Trans men in action
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Nah......if that were the case " man" would be expunged from male health literature as well. All about the males who identify as women denying that womanhood has anything to do with female biology. Men telling women what they can call themselves. Patriarchy of the highest order.

@ScrollingLeaves the word in that bit of so called research that is doing all the heavy lifting is MAY as in we know that this very small sample group (to small for any statistical analysis at just 33 people) have these 20 gene mutations (but have no idea how common they are or what they or even if "cis" people have them too) so we're going to assume that it's because they are trans so these must be the evidence that we wanted to find of trans being a real biological thing.
Basically it's confirmation bias (which almost all of these so called research papers suffer from) being promoted as factual finding when what they should have done is have a control sample that had the same number of men and women preferably of the same sex and ethnicity as the trans volunteers to test if they have the same mutations. However there is no mention of a control group only trans people.
Hope that helps.

You definitely cannot make any useful statements about genetic variants in a sample that small.

And definitely not 20 variants from 33 people. There is precisely no way to know that’s not just random variation.

These kind of researchers don’t do research to test hypotheses; they do something looking like research on the surface to advance ideological claims.

I also REALLY object to the dismissal and stigmatising of mental health in these kind of arguments. It has to have a ‘real’
biological basis and not just be a mental
health issue for these ideologues. Awful, properly regressive crap.

Nicola Sturgeon is an utter cnt. I detest using insults to argue a case but there are no more words needed.

Hoardasurass · Today 00:56
@ScrollingLeaves the word in that bit of so called research that is doing all the heavy lifting is MAY as in we know that this very small sample group (to small for any statistical analysis at just 33 people) have these 20 gene mutations (but have no idea how common they are or what they or even if "cis" people have them too) so we're going to assume that it's because they are trans so these must be the evidence that we wanted to find of trans being a real biological thing.

+Basically it's confirmation bias (which almost all of these so called research papers suffer from) being promoted as factual finding when what they should have done is have a control sample that had the same number of men and women preferably of the same sex and ethnicity as the trans volunteers to test if they have the same mutations. However there is no mention of a control group only trans people.+
Hope that helps.

Thank you very much, Hoardasaurus it does help. You’ve explained that so clearly.

It will all be taken as true though, no doubt.

And thank you Sudocream

Wtf is identity validation.
Lying to someone about something they are not and never will be? Yeah ok.
The NHS is so far gone, I fear if it will ever come back from this BS it’s continuously spouting these days.

And the Mail says, "Presenting their research at the Society for Reproductive Investigation conference, the researchers said: ‘We identified genetic variants in 20 genes that may play a role in transgender identity."

So a conference presentation and not a peer-reviewed journal article then. These claims should be taken with a very large pinch of salt.