Scottish hospitals warned over isolating transwomen

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scottish-hospitals-warned-over-isolating-transwomen-dwc6dwvw5

Even then, the ’mat’ is a very big may.

You’d hope the audience asked them how they could even be claiming may for 20 genetic variants in such a small sample.

what they should have done is have a control sample that had the same number of men and women preferably of the same sex and ethnicity as the trans volunteers to test if they have the same mutations. However there is no mention of a control group only trans people.

I’d add sexuality onto the list of comparators or as another separate group to test, as I suspect sexuality is the most likely confounder, given that there appears to be some link between having some feminine traits and being gay (obviously not all gay men, but there appear to be more feminine gay men than you’d expect there to be feminine men in a random sample of men).

Add in homophobia to that equation, which could easily cause bullying of a young, feminine male child, thus giving potential for an increase in poor mental health and lack of confidence, this has always seemed to me to be “the perfect storm” when looking for possible causes of “gender dysphoria”.

Good God. I’ve only just read this.

Nutty. A woman was raped in a female only ward. Another was discharged early because a bizarre man called 'Barbara' was swearing and causing nuisance on the ward - guess which one had to leave?

Where is the self respect of the women running these wards? You'd think nurses and female HC professionals had the NHS over a barrel what with staff shortages.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/11/2022 18:44

We know that one woman has already paid a terrible price for these appalling lies:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4507790-Hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-because-attacker-transgender

I remember the case, the hospital gaslit the victim and lied to the Police. I'm willing to bet the farm that Sturgeon and others know about the case and can only conclude that they don't give a shiny shit about the abuse, which is bound to follow, from their insane law.

I was nursing trans men on the men's side and trans women on the women's side 16-17 years ago, even before the EA came into force. Obviously The Times doesn't realise that trans people didn't suddenly start existing a few years ago 🙄

So the patriarchy has been disregarding women for even longer than we suspected. Ugh.
We just have to get this to stop, completely. Women have never consented to this. We are not men's comforter, we are real people. With rights.

Excellent. Then you are fully aware that women were never once asked as the female population whether this was ok.

And you will be fully aware, if you are a health care professional, that not one person on this planet can change sex and that females have a need for being in a ward without any male.

Glad you can acknowledge this.

If they identify as pregnant?

Yes exactly.

Decades ago, accommodations were made, often without our consent. At that time, trans people were assumed to be a small group suffering such crippling dysphoria that they were driven to undergo drastic surgery to live as the opposite sex. Not, let's be very clear, believed to in some inner way be the opposite sex, but with some limitations, accomodated as the opposite sex. A polite fiction to support a group of vulnerable people.

This is now being weaponised against us with the bad faith argument that, because these accommodations have existed for some time, women have no right to disagree to extending them a much larger group of male people, very few of whom intend to make any physical adjustments to their masculinity nor even understand the female culture to which they claim they belong.

It reminds me of the type of rape apologist that believes if a woman consented to sex with someone in the past, they cannot say no to that person or his mates in future.

It was a serious answer.

Some hospital trusts have policies to confirm that male born sex offenders can be placed on women's hospital wards if they self identify as women. Awful to realise that people with such dangerous beliefs are actually employed by the NHS. It's been advertised widely but in comparison with the hyperbole about a fully clothed merkin displaying woman, none of these predator enabling NHS staff appear to have received any challenge (let alone had their hard drives examined).
And some wonder why women are furious.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9854261/Convicts-born-male-identify-female-placed-women-wards.html

@WeepingSomnambulist "Its nothing to do with the maternity wards.

One posted said that they wondered if they'd be made to keep curtains open with a transwoman on their ward.

I then gave an example of being on a ward, which happened to be maternity so was therefore full of males allowed to stay all day long, and being forced to keep the curtains open due to short staffing. Even when getting help with latching."

I'm sorry this happened to you.

With the current thing about self id no biologically male person has to change their name, their appearance, take any sort of medication or have surgery, They just say they feel like a woman and all doors have to be open to them, without question.

Have you been following this at all?

Dear @Helleofabore

As a nurse, I actually have a clue how those genetic-expression-changin' signaling chemicals called hormones work, thank you, knowledge of which 99% of the time, is sorely lacking with anti-trans activists and amazingly avoided by the few who do.

'Gender critical' ideology is incredibly reductionistic and anti-intellectual.

Ok @EvilBee. Lay it all out for us. Don’t hold back on your very knowledgeable posts.

go for it.

Because she says she is ffs. No debate.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/princess-mom

'Darone, who has actually fathered two children, intends to play-act a faux birth, replicating contractions and the pain of labour with an electrical muscle stimulator'

I wish policymakers would leave charge nurses to make sensible decisions for the wards they run. There is a situation of exactly this type happening right now at my work. The decision about bed use made by the charge nurse protects the privacy and dignity of all patients without requiring any lies.

Remember readers to keep checking if EvilBee posts their proven science on how the coding in cells can be changed completely and permanently to be the opposite sex. Don’t, however, hold your breathe or start a vigil. There are several MNers who started vigils to await this information over the past couple of years, they are still sitting out there. We provide food and shelter for them while they wait else they will be skeletons.

Maybe this time a poster will come back with some evidenced and proven science.

Ooo, yes please! Do explain.

But keep it simple because I only have a lady brain and I’m thinking about lipstick and twirly skirts.

Well they don’t have to go through years of any of those things or even get surgery anymore. Remember all they have to do is “feel” like a woman or “feel” nonbinary. Right because it’s just the feelings that matter. I’m sorry I do think you are a good person trying to do a good thing but the movement you are following is taking advantage of kind people like yourself whether you are transgender or just trying to help vulnerable people for a good cause. It’s not a good cause anymore. It used to be. But now it’s been taken over by sinister people who are running away with it. They are twisting it for their own sick desires.

I grew up in a christian cult. I always felt suffocated by the feeling of walking on eggshells worrying about asking the wrong kinds of questions or whether or not I would accidentally put a toe out of line. Never could I express myself for fear that they would all turn their backs on me. When I got out the first thing I wanted to do was fight for gay rights so I got very big into LGBT+ rights movement. I fought for years and it was a wonderful community. I could speak freely and be myself and question things. But it’s no longer that way.

Don’t you feel it? I know you do. We all do. Even if you aren’t being honest with yourself. If you ever said anything slightly off colour or questioned the status qou? Would they still be your friends? Would they forgive you or even entertain your ideas? Or would they drop you like a hot potato and walk away like they never knew you and make it all about themselves? Any group that behaves like that has something shady going on.

If you feel like you cannot even argue or entertain devils advocate then something is wrong. I don’t expect you to give me a serious answer. But I do hope this comment makes it’s home and curls up in a little tiny corner of your brain.

You will feel better when you get out. It will be like you can breath again for the first time in years.

I suspect that Evilbee, if they do come back, will link that risible Scientific American article as 'proof'. That and that ridiculous infographic are the only 'proof' I've seen offered to show that either human beings can change sex or that there are more than two, binary sexes and it shows nothing of the sort - simply misuses the existence of disorders of sexual development in a torturous attempt to prove their point.

And I seriously worry if an actual health care provider actually believes that sex is not immutable as it shows a frightening determination ignore reality in preference to an ideology.

It's like when we get TRA's who state that they are teachers. I just sincerely hope they don't teach in my area.

Nice @FlirtsWithRhinos

Already got to the stage of equating me with rape apologists, such a delightful place this is and totes not a hatefest.

Weirdly enough, people are in hospital cos they're unwell - are you suggesting that predatory cis men are donning a skirt then making themselves unwell so they can attack women? ..or are you continuing with the lie that binary trans people aren't overwhelmingly medically transitioning when research puts paid to that - 85% of all trans people inc non-binary ppl are on HRT..and binary trans ppl are far more likely to do so than non-binary folk. Of the hundreds of binary trans people that I've spoken to, I know of a single person who is not on or awaiting HRT..and that's because she had an adverse reaction to it (and continues to transition as much as she can anyway).

except under the new rules a transwoman doesn't have to have any hormone medication or surgery to be classed as a "woman" just live for three months as a woman to get the certificate.