How many transwomen/trans girls detransition?

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Just that really. I can't quite find stats for this. If you've stumbled across something or know of this, do many young teen trans girls de transition? Do many older trans women detransition?

Research into this area is not encouraged. There are those who do not want anyone to find an answer.

The cass review is looking into detransitioning rates (amongst other things) by looking at all the medical records of everyone who has ever been seen by the Tavistock. In the next 6-18 months we should start to get get irrefutable stats on detransitioning across all groups and honest long term outcomes and harms. This is why all the trans groups were so against the change in law that was passed so that this research could be done.
I have no doubt that it will be damming and finally end child transition permanently once it gets passed the TRA backlash.

Would be interesting to know the sex split on the detrans reddit sub that has over 41k people on.

Lots of vulnerable people sold a lie.

There are also those who have socially transitioned / de transitioned. My niece for example.

No one knows. One of the many problems with GIDS was they didn’t follow ppl up. If ppl just stopped coming, they didn’t ask why that was. And yes research in this area is very much not encouraged

Feel terribly sad for the families and the children who were sold a lie.
Forgive me for being naive, but why is researching this not encouraged?

This is why all the trans groups were so against the change in law that was passed so that this research could be done.

This is absolutely fucking criminal and how they've gotten away with this for so long, I do not know.

How can anyone claim to be acting in the interests of vulnerable youth and yet resist basic information gathering,

I am in no way an expert on this and don’t know much, but I believe it’s simply because they don’t want people to know the answers.

Go onto any pro-trans-ideology group and attempt to talk about de-transitioning and you’ll be blocked or told to shut up about it.

They want anything “negative” like that pushed down as far as possible, only positive, happy, life saving transition affirming stories allowed.

Im hoping so much that the tide is turning and that a very real and public backlash is coming.

Frightening that in Scotland they are encouraging people to transition young (will be allowed to change legal gender very easily from age 16), and are earmarking millions of pounds to speed up trans medical treatment. There will presumably be a lot of breastless teenage girls in Scotland soon.

Religion actively discourages questioning of the accepted orthodoxy and dogma upon which the religion is built.
Galileo Galilei skirted awfully close to being executed by the pope for suggesting that the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around.
They will use any means they can to preserve their beliefs and power in the face of opposing viewpoints.

Forgive me for being naive, but why is researching this not encouraged?

Because the grown men want to hide behind children.

Not being flippnat but publicity about removing the genitals and breasts of children who weren't 'really' trans would shine a massive light on their lack of ethics around removing the genitals and breasts of any teens and young people.

If you want to see what happens to people who want to look at this, google James Esses.

Which group(s) are you asking about?

Group 1. Those with gender dysphoria from early childhood in the specific medical meaning of the term?

Group 2. The ROGD cohort, who are mainly girls?

Group 3. Late transitioning men?

i think that’s a really interesting study in the making. And I suspect there will be 3 different answers and 3 groups that need to be treated/managed differently in the long run both medically and socially.

Actually perhaps I should have written Group 2. The ROGD cohort, who at the moment are mainly girls?

If the fantasy worlds of gender identity ideology continue unchecked I could imagine this rampaging through boys.

By the way, Group 1 is estimated to be around 5000 people and Groups 2 and 3 to total around 300000-500000 people, with no clear indication as to how this is split between the two groups.

There are going to be loads of ‘desisters’ who don’t show up on NHS medical records.

We need a schools census on the subject.

I’ve read that men who transition late in life are the least likely to detransition. I’m not sure where I read that though. I guess they’ve gone through puberty and are mature enough to know their own minds and have had plenty of time to think about it.

Dr Az Hakeem has said that in his long clinical experience it seems that the more autistic traits a person has the more likely they are to be content post-transition (perhaps due to the black and white thinking of ‘I now have the secondary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, therefore I AM the opposite sex’ working as a protective mechanism against the social awkwardness of being ‘clocked’?)

I think I heard that in his YouTube interview with Arty Morty but would need to double check.

That's interesting. I have an acquaintance (met at a work conference and we really clicked and hung out together that week but nmever met since, just FB friends) who transitioned from female to male a few years ago in middle age (50s). I looked them up the other day to see how they were doing and saw photos of them on FB getting married to a man. Their face looked softer, as though they might have dropped the testosterone. I don't know them well enough to ask if they always felt they were a gay man, but I do hope they are not regretting the surgery.

Galileo Galilei skirted nowhere near to being executed. The main problem was that he was enthusiastically promoting an then-unproven theory which went both against scripture and against the scientific knowledge of the time. The secondary problem was that in promoting that theory he was incredibly, offensively rude to the Pope. The tertiary problem was that the guy had a positive gift for feuds, especially when told his evidence was rubbish (it often was).

As it happens, the theory he was promoting was right. But the entire problem with the Roman Catholic Church at the time was that they were having to deal with a bunch of detransitioners (aka Protestants). It’s not that religion in general actively discourages questioning, it’s when religions feel under threat. When they think their survival is at stake they tend to erect dogma-barricades. No research into these areas, please, we have enough problems already.

So if you have a situation where people are actively encouraging trans people to see themselves as under existential threat, you will get those dogma-barricades. Research into areas that might disprove cherished dogmas will be discouraged. Purity spirals will break out and heretics will be targeted.

I suppose the question is why trans people are being encouraged to see themselves as under existential threat? Who benefits from that?

Trans people are not opposed to research and in fact there was a study quite recently on exactly this subject which found that 98% of young people who were proscribed puberty blockers remained trans and continued treatment and of those who stopped their was no conclusive evidence this was down to regret: www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/10/21/trans-teens-continue-hormone-therapy-as-adults/

I have little doubt the Cass Review will find similar results and I welcome the research, I suspect it will finally put an end to the misinformation and scare-mongoring that accompanies any discussion of trans healthcare. What some people have objected to is their medical records being retrospectively used in a piece of research they did not consent to take part in. That would usually be seen as a breach of privacy and in fact the government had to change the law to allow it.

I suppose the question is why trans people are being encouraged to see themselves as under existential threat? Who benefits from that?

Perhaps it's due to statements like those made in gender critical literature calling for transsexuality to be morally mandated out of existence or high profile gender critical figures like Helen Joyce claiming every single trans person is a 'problem in a sane society'. The vast increase in hate crimes and relentless street harassment some trans people experience has also no doubt contributed to these concerns .

As well as you know the far right figures in the US who have called for trans people to be executed and bombarded trans supportive schools and healthcare providers with bomb threats.

That’s two comments made 43 years apart!

Hardly ‘under existential threat’

listen to yourself 😃

looool at using penis news as an evidence link 😆