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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman harassed in women's bathroom by a gender critical woman who thinks she is trans, she is upset by the experience.

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MargaritaPie · 29/10/2022 23:16

twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1586295024672808961

Woman harassed in women's bathroom by a gender critical woman who thinks she is trans, she is upset by the experience.
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CrossStichQueen · 30/10/2022 01:14

The OP feels entitled to assume that is how the person identifies.

But I thought people would be committing an awful act to assume a person's gender let alone their personal beliefs?

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:16

CrossStichQueen · 30/10/2022 01:10

Discovereads I have admitted to not watching the video and have asked how do we know the accuser is a GC woman? Do they say so?

Sorry but I don't click on links so hoping someone can clarify.

She probably is GC based on her many many comments. She launches into a lengthy tirade at the sinks.

Over7billiongendersbut2sexes · 30/10/2022 01:16

CrossStichQueen · 30/10/2022 01:14

The OP feels entitled to assume that is how the person identifies.

But I thought people would be committing an awful act to assume a person's gender let alone their personal beliefs?

As far as I can make out - you can assume the identity of anyone except those who fall under the trans umbrella. So you can call people cis, you can say that the taliban are oppressing 'women' in Iran, you can call people gender critical, but woe betide you if you say Eddie Izzard is a man or call Eddie 'he' (even though he said he's OK with that). Hypocrisy at its finest.

NotBadConsidering · 30/10/2022 01:16

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:06

No Marg did not, I was on that thread and she only pointed out that the BTP cctv alert did not refer to the person in the pictures as a suspect. So while you can speculate this person is a suspect, the BTP haven’t identified them as such. Also, the BTP cctv alert did not specify the sex of the genitals exposed. She didn’t say they might have been a victim or the victim, just that they might not be a suspect given the wording of the BTP cctv alert.
www.btp.police.uk/news/btp/news/appeals/cctv-images-released-after-indecent-exposure--berkshire/

MargaritaPie · 27/10/2022 19:18
It isn't clear if the person in the photo is the suspect or a witness.

Marg thought it possible that the police would have released images of a witness (not victim) to the indecent exposure, rather than the alleged perpetrator. Which as pointed out on the thread, is complete nonsense. So it’s hard to take posts by Marg seriously really. Reality suits when it suits.

So when you have a post by MargaritaPie that is lifted from notoriously disingenuous Monty it’s hard to know the actual truth. When both spend their time posting lies and disinformation, it undermines any real things they may post, like the Boy Who Cried Wolf.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/10/2022 01:18

@Discovereads the good guys stay out so you know who the bad guys are. Lots of things still happen that there are rules and laws against, we don't just give up.

Over7billiongendersbut2sexes · 30/10/2022 01:19

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:16

She probably is GC based on her many many comments. She launches into a lengthy tirade at the sinks.

Do you think the OP mean to say "non-trans woman harassed in women's bathroom by a person I think is gender critical and I assume to be a woman" then?

DdraigGoch · 30/10/2022 01:20

Thehawki · 30/10/2022 01:01

I agree completely, I had just assumed OP was saying 'cis' because they wanted to make it clear the lady in the bathroom wasn't trans and had every right to be in the bathroom.

The OP used "cis" because the OP was being goady to women the OP knew would find the term offensive.

The OP has a long history of goady posts, whether misinformation or simply trying to claim that black is white. The recent thread where "the person in the CCTV image might not be the suspected sex offender, it might just be a witness" was the gist of that poster's posts being a prime example.

Jewel1968 · 30/10/2022 01:21

I think in some countries toilets are unisex. I know my swimming pool changing room is unisex. I wonder if that is the way forward with some additional security measures. I suspect we are a long way from that though.

CrossStichQueen · 30/10/2022 01:21

She probably is GC based on her many many comments. She launches into a lengthy tirade at the sinks.

But does she say she is gender critical?
I mean you really shouldn't make assumptions also why do you think she is a woman does she say she is and that her pronouns are even she?

chilling19 · 30/10/2022 01:22

Smilelesstalkmore · 30/10/2022 00:15

I don't get your point though?

Are you saying that women should just let men into their spaces willy nilly to stop things like this from happening?

It's a bit like the (questionable) stories about female athletes having to have 'genital checks' to check who is male and who is female - lots of TRAs up in arms about how terrible that is, but rather conveniently missing the glaringly obvious point that if males stayed the fuck away from women's sports there would be no need to be checking anyone for anything.

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Jarnsaxa · 30/10/2022 01:23

Discovereads

You can see the victims shadow as she leaves the stall and heads for the basin. You can see she's holding her phone in her left hand at just below shoulder height. The film doesn't go all shaky or anything as if she's hiding it somewhere.
Not exactly filming discreetly is it?
And what would a GC woman be doing in a men's toilet?

DdraigGoch · 30/10/2022 01:23

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:08

Who are you talking about? You haven’t watched the video have you?

I'm talking about the bloke/transwoman/nyanbinary who once used the same toilet as you. How did you know how they identified?

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:24

NotBadConsidering · 30/10/2022 01:16

MargaritaPie · 27/10/2022 19:18
It isn't clear if the person in the photo is the suspect or a witness.

Marg thought it possible that the police would have released images of a witness (not victim) to the indecent exposure, rather than the alleged perpetrator. Which as pointed out on the thread, is complete nonsense. So it’s hard to take posts by Marg seriously really. Reality suits when it suits.

So when you have a post by MargaritaPie that is lifted from notoriously disingenuous Monty it’s hard to know the actual truth. When both spend their time posting lies and disinformation, it undermines any real things they may post, like the Boy Who Cried Wolf.

? The police release images of potential witnesses all the time.
www.itv.com/news/anglia/2022-08-26/witness-images-released-after-bones-found-in-bags-in-river

hillingdontoday.co.uk/police-release-image-of-possible-key-witness-after-unexplained-death-in-southall-park/?amp

www.burnleyexpress.net/news/crime/police-release-image-of-potential-witness-to-incident-where-man-asked-two-schoolgirls-to-get-into-a-vehicle-in-burnley-3320568

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4223444/Police-release-CCTV-image-witness-Balham-rape.html

www.gazetteseries.co.uk/news/19960821.police-release-cctv-image-key-witness-rape-investigation/

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:27

IcakethereforeIam · 30/10/2022 01:18

@Discovereads the good guys stay out so you know who the bad guys are. Lots of things still happen that there are rules and laws against, we don't just give up.

I agree. My point is that there was no utopia of sacrosanct woman’s toilets before transwomen were wanting to use them. The poster I was responding to was implying that women never had to be alert for men coming in before trans was more visible. This is not true. We’ve always had that risk.

Pixiedust1234 · 30/10/2022 01:28

I wonder if @Thehawki has gone to bed or gone to find the definition of gender. The legal one. Do you think I should wait? 🤔

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:30

DdraigGoch · 30/10/2022 01:23

I'm talking about the bloke/transwoman/nyanbinary who once used the same toilet as you. How did you know how they identified?

What? The incident I mentioned the man wasn’t there to use the toilet. He followed me in so he could pop his head over the cubicle wall and be a peeping tom. No one identified as anything back then.

DdraigGoch · 30/10/2022 01:31

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:09

Because she’s filming discreetly. She doesn’t want them to know they are being recorded.

That's weird, isn't it? At work if someone is kicking off, they will be well aware that I am filming them because the camera has yellow "video and audio" signs on it, and when activated it lights up red and squeaks every two minutes. Likewise, whenever someone is filming a police officer with their mobile phone, they're usually pretty vocal about the fact that they are filming. Seems silly to do it covertly when covert recordings aren't always admissible as evidence. As the poster above says, "Karen" videos always seem to show faces.

CrossStichQueen · 30/10/2022 01:32

The key word in your list Discovereads is witness.
On every single one of those reports the police use the word witness.
On the report about the masturbating male in a skirt it is not once stated that person is a witness.

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:32

Pixiedust1234 · 30/10/2022 01:28

I wonder if @Thehawki has gone to bed or gone to find the definition of gender. The legal one. Do you think I should wait? 🤔

Why don’t you start your own thread instead of detailing this one with your faux innocent “what’s cis?” And “what’s gender” school girl questions.

You’ve not watched the video, said you won’t watch it and are refusing to even discuss the issues in the OP.

DdraigGoch · 30/10/2022 01:33

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 01:13

It proves what we’ve always known that it is impossible to enforce women only in womens toilets. The only thing keeping men out is them self-excluding.

It would be great if they continued to self-exclude, as they historically almost always did. Rather than posting on Twitter that they went into the women's.

Datun · 30/10/2022 01:34

Thehawki · 30/10/2022 01:06

Okay fair enough! I didn't know anyone had a problem with it, so I will be more cautious in future. Not that I've ever called anyone cis.

@Thehawki The reason cis is offensive to many women, particularly feminists is because of the nature of the term gender.

The word gender has taken on a new meaning because of extreme transactivism. It's meant to mean an internal essence that tells you whether or not you are a man or a woman, completely separate to biology. This doesn't really hold up, because being a man or a woman is a description of biology.

Before transactivismism, gender, as a sociological term, meant masculine or feminine. A set of stereotypes based on societal ideas of what constituted masculinity or femininity. In fact, even trans organisations called it the same thing. Until extreme transactivism tried to pretend that men who wanted to be women were actually women.

And the issue is, of course, that society will determine masculinity and femininity through a sexist lens.

So femininity will be things like fragrant, nurturing, weak, compliant, sweet, ditsy, a follower.

And masculinity will be things like dominant, strong, leadership, logical, rational.

In terms of feminism, gender has been used to strip women of any power. Women were considered to be too ie responsible to vote, to empty headed to educate to degree level, too unreliable to have their own bank account or get a mortgage without a man's co-signature.

And in fact, until 1992, rape within marriage was completely legal, because society deemed that women's legal duty was to provide men with sex. That was their gendered role.

gender, for women, meant they were irresponsible, unreliable, empty headed, and must be available for sex.

The saying goes that women are oppressed due to their biology, and gender is the means by which it's done.

So you can see why many women, particularly feminists, do not find it acceptable to be called cis. Because the last bloody thing they do is identify with the gender that society wants to impose on them. The whole point of feminism is to break out of gender roles, not concrete them in.

Hence 'gender critical'.

CrossStichQueen · 30/10/2022 01:34

I am trying to discuss the thread but nobody will answer how they know the accuser is GC, a woman and her pronouns are she if she hasn't stated that info in the video...unless she has?

BoreOfWhabylon · 30/10/2022 01:34

From the Talk Guidelines
it’s clear that most trans people find the use of pronouns or names that they or others have consciously rejected, to be hurtful and would therefore struggle to engage in a discussion with those who insist on using them. The same is true of the expression ‘Trans-Identified Male’ or ‘TIM’. Likewise, many feminists are affronted by the term ‘cis’ and ‘terf’, so using these terms will make civil debate less likely. As we’ve said, context is everything – but our moderation team will most likely delete these expressions if we feel they're being used in a deliberately inflammatory way.
Margarita's been posting here long enough to know this.
Do better Margarita

Datun · 30/10/2022 01:38

Also this trope about women attacking masculine looking women in their loos really upholds the sex segregation argument, not the mixed sex one.

If women are so concerned about keeping their toilets single sex that they are looking suspiciously at butch women, that tells you everything you need to know.

I don't know how much clearer we can be. Women don't want men in there. A woman getting confused is completely irrelevant to that.

Seriously, how much clearer can we be.!

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