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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

To feel incredibly sorry for Eddie Izzard

559 replies

ColdstreamAnnie · 27/10/2022 20:31

I don't want to pity Eddie but I felt a wave of sadness after reading that Rosie Duffield (MP) said she would rather be arrested than refer to Eddie as a woman.

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JellySaurus · 27/10/2022 21:19

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 27/10/2022 21:08

I don't give a shit how Eddie identifies so I have voted YANBU.
If she's got decent policies and decent values, that's what matters to me
Not quibbling over whether I should be saying he or she ffs

Is being make and using the women's toilets, boasting about in-nerving teenage girls while using women's toilets, 'decent values'?

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/10/2022 21:20

DismantledKing · 27/10/2022 20:53

Kanye W is always unwell when he has something to promote, I’ve noticed..

or when he goes a bit Nazi

Does he have anything left to promote? I hear he's been cut out of all his fashion deals and quite rightly. My ExH has bi-polar and it's a bastard. I really felt for Kim Kardashian by the end of their marriage.

Asdavaluesausage · 27/10/2022 21:20

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Brefugee · 27/10/2022 21:20

Genuine question for anybody who might know- can Eddie actually be listed and elected as a “female” M.P. If elected if Eddie isn’t in possession of a GRC? And if Eddie decided to return or remain to being gender fluid how do we count how many female M.P.s we have representing women in the country? Coz if they can how then do we monitor female representation?

this is one of the issues right now - which of the Labour politicians tweeted earlier about how there aren't any women in the new cabinet? got her arse handed to her because, of course, Labour are having an incredibly hard time actually identifying what a woman is.

Is the sex and/or gender identity of our elected representatives collated in statistics? Should it be? In a perfect world, of course, it wouldn't matter since we would all be striving for equality, in all respects. But it isn't perfect. But now I'm wondering how we know there are female MPs. Maybe they don't feel female but have a female coded name, look like a woman (boobs, maybe long hair and a skirt?) and were AFAB. But maybe they don't identify as a woman but aren't out yet. What does that do to statistics? representation?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/10/2022 21:20

Lol it does make me laugh that there’s some crack squad of reporting visitors who start complaining the moment anything on this subject is posted in AIBU

its like some kind of bat signal goes out

SingUsASongYoureThePenileMan · 27/10/2022 21:21

My heart bleeds.

Feel more sorry for the teenagers he terrorised in a single sex space and whose fear he used for part of his act.

JellySaurus · 27/10/2022 21:21

OFGS bloody autocorrect!

Is being male and using the women's toilets, boasting about un-nerving teenage girls while using women's toilets, 'decent values'?

Helleofabore · 27/10/2022 21:22

Oh. Another thread on the naughty step. Truth should be hidden.

Asdavaluesausage · 27/10/2022 21:22

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/10/2022 21:20

Lol it does make me laugh that there’s some crack squad of reporting visitors who start complaining the moment anything on this subject is posted in AIBU

its like some kind of bat signal goes out

Oh yes. We know the lurkers are out there….

Frenchfancy · 27/10/2022 21:22

We've given the little women a little room to discuss these things. I don't understand why they keep insisting on discussing it in public.

Back to the naughty corner girls!

tactum · 27/10/2022 21:23

Fucks sake. Why can't we discuss AIBU posts in AIBU when the OP was asking for a breadth of opinions?? I know they came across as somewhat naive on the issue, but.....why confine all threads like this to feminism where lots of people who haven't properly considered these issues won't be looking.
Keep us in the box eh? Heaven forbid a wider audience gets to consider these issues.
Fucks me right off MN, what are you so scared of?

StopStartStop · 27/10/2022 21:23

Not sorry for him in the least. Good for Rosie Duffield.

bellinisurge · 27/10/2022 21:23

@Lockheart "RD said she'd rather go to prison than call EI a woman. But he's never demanded to be called a woman, as far as I can tell.

Why start an argument over nothing? There are plenty of other things he and the TRA movement have done that should be focussed on rather than something that has apparently never happened"

If he has never demanded to be called a woman, why is he going into women's toilets? What kind of man wants to go into women's toilets if he doesn't want to be called a woman?

Good men stay out so bad men stand out

A580Hojas · 27/10/2022 21:23

I think the brave people are those in the public eye who are gender critical. All the abuse and death and rape threats they receive! They are the brave ones.

Pixiedust1234 · 27/10/2022 21:23

Shelefttheweb · 27/10/2022 21:18

And..... it’s been moved to the naughty corner.

Before it moved over 90% voted YABU

Well spotted. It got moved while I was reading it 🙄

Lockheart · 27/10/2022 21:24

bellinisurge · 27/10/2022 21:23

@Lockheart "RD said she'd rather go to prison than call EI a woman. But he's never demanded to be called a woman, as far as I can tell.

Why start an argument over nothing? There are plenty of other things he and the TRA movement have done that should be focussed on rather than something that has apparently never happened"

If he has never demanded to be called a woman, why is he going into women's toilets? What kind of man wants to go into women's toilets if he doesn't want to be called a woman?

Good men stay out so bad men stand out

Presumably because he thinks he's a woman (or wants to be). That doesn't mean he's demanded to be called one.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/10/2022 21:24

ColdstreamAnnie · 27/10/2022 20:37

He is gender fluid, I believe.
I suppose I felt sorry for him because I can't imagine how difficult it must be to identify as one gender and have lots of people tell you that you're not.

Imagine then, what it is like to be a woman and have lots of men the you that you're not as "womany" as they are.

Gender IS NOT SEX.

Sex is biological, identifiable, and immutable.

Gender is a social construct - an expectation in any society of how male people and female people (the TWO SEXES) are expected to behave. It changes from agae to age and varies across cultures.

By all means, smash those gender stereotypes. Let men wear make up and what are considered "women's" clothes if they want to, and similarly for women - but no-one changes sex. It is not physically possible. Ask Lord (Sir Robert) Winston.

Asdavaluesausage · 27/10/2022 21:25

I wonder if it would have gotten moved if the comments had been agreeing with the OP and praising EI? Might just be me being cynical…

PoseyFlump · 27/10/2022 21:25

Perhaps it will stop if you pop to B&Q.

Grin I find Wickes a bit more manly than B&Q!

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 27/10/2022 21:26

monsteramunch · 27/10/2022 20:55

This!

Hasn't Eddie said either pronoun is ok though but prefers she? Happy to be corrected if not.

bellinisurge · 27/10/2022 21:27

Gender fluid? What a load of wanky nonsense

cyclamenqueen · 27/10/2022 21:27

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/10/2022 21:12

I want to be in girl mode

I want to be known as she/her

understandably this don’t go down well at which point EI towed back & said they didn’t really mind what people used but initially he wanted to be referred to as a woman well girl 🤪

@Lockheart

Brefugee · 27/10/2022 21:27

i think the good news here, regarding the thread, is that some of the earlier posts that got zapped for refering to EI with male pronouns, have now been reinstated as MN determined he's happy with any and all pronouns.
So that's nice

VinoDino · 27/10/2022 21:27

@AmIThatMam Is he coming into the changing room penis first?

Doesn't matter what he's doing with his penis. If he has (or had one, and let's be honest not a lot of men go down that route funnily enough) he has no right to be there. Whether he keeps it nicely tucked in or not.

Lockheart · 27/10/2022 21:28

cyclamenqueen · 27/10/2022 21:27

@Lockheart

I want to be =/= I demand that you call me.