Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats

[ArabellaScott]

Not quite sure what's happened - seems there were credible threats to women's lives over these protests.

twitter.com/StandingforXX

Now it seems a few women went ahead and met up and were attacked. (Nobody seriously hurt as far as I can tell)

twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1585012546766966784

Hoping everyone is safe and well.

This one in red, with gloves is described as follows.

The dude in the red dress threw a sign and hit my friend in the shin with it hard enough to cause bleeding.

He is also on video, rushing on Lierre Keith from behind. Amy Sousa stepped in and pushed him away, but he clearly meant to do her harm. While wearing those gloves with toughened knuckles.

Still not seeing any children in these pictures @livvyposts plenty of grown ass men tooled up to attack women though.

I'm not supporting anything, I condemn any violence on both sides. I'm just pointing out there are two sides to this story and the only group which are reported to have used weapons were the anti-trans protesters. Do you condemn them?

So how is fighting for womens rights anti trans? Are you saying there is a conflict between womens rights and trans rights. Why are you defending men attacking women for having a dissenting opinion? Are there any other groups you believe deserve to be attacked for their views or is it just women you hate?

So how is fighting for womens rights anti trans?

I don't think it is. I think Kellie-Jay and her group go way beyond just fighting for women's rights and could be objectively described as anti-trans as they were in the newspaper report.

Right here, the trans protestor in red with a weapon. See that huge staff?

He is also on video attacking a speaker (Lierre Keith) and in photos with suspiciously weather-inappropriate gloves, and threw a sign hard enough at a woman to make her bleed.

How? What have they said that is anti trans and deserving of abuse and assault by men.

Yes @PurgatoryOfPotholes and I’m sure they weren’t the only weapons. I wonder why these men decided they had the right to assault women. I think maybe because people like @livvyposts believe the women deserve it and make that view known.

What rhetoric? 'let women speak'?

No, screaming groomers at people as can be seen in the livestream of the other protest. There have been numerous violent attacks recently on LGBTQ spaces in the US by people using exactly that kind of rhetoric and several people killed during far right protests over recent years. KellieJay has made it clear the far right are welcome at her events, these are violent dangerous people, it's understandable if people dressed to defend themselves. And the only independently reported use of weapons came from Kellie Jay's side, against a crowd her own supporters claim were largely children. And now she's got men with guns strutting round at her events. She's out of her depth in a political environment that has been a tinderbox for a long time and I genuinely fear where this might end.

She's out of her depth in a political environment that has been a tinderbox for a long time and I genuinely fear where this might end.

Lol, make your mind up.

Does anyone know whether the man who broke a woman''s fingers with his bare hands has been arrested yet??

You’d trust independent media over a person’s direct recount?

What like this Dinosaur article from around 13 minutes?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4664291-lgbtq-communitys-battle-for-the-dinosaur-emoji-on-peter-boghossians-show?reply=121116538

Incidentally, the segment after is interesting too. About Antifa and how very biased some media is reporting the group’s activities.

I have heard of an arrest, Datun, but only very vaguely.

You’d trust independent media over a person’s direct recount?

I wouldn’t, i also wouldn’t trust a persons direct recount unless i was there or had evidence

the only evidence appears to show violent adult males with weapons intimidating women

ive seen no evidence, so far, the other way round

and everyone knows that the media has bias, independent journalists can have bias as well

Thanks Arabella. I'm sure Posie will update people when anything happens

No, screaming groomers at people as can be seen in the livestream of the other protest.

Which protest do you refer to that ‘groomers’ was being yelled?

And was this before or after ‘terfs’ (and depending where you mean, ‘fascists’) was being screamed plus intimidation tactics?

There have been numerous violent attacks recently on LGBTQ spaces in the US by people using exactly that kind of rhetoric and several people killed during far right protests over recent years.

And that is an excuse to intimidate, scream and be violent towards women? Speaking out on streets and in parks?

That sounds a whole lot like victim blaming yet again. Just like the extreme opinion that Fred Sargeant shouldn’t have been protesting at Pride.

KellieJay has made it clear the far right are welcome at her events, these are violent dangerous people, it's understandable if people dressed to defend themselves.

When? When has she made it clear that the far right are welcome? Or are you confusing the fact she cannot prevent them from coming?

And are you deliberately confusing her statement that she will allow any female to speak at these events? Are you taking that as ‘welcoming’ far right? That would be rather a deliberate bad faith interpretation.

please provide evidence that she has ‘welcomed’ them?

And now she's got men with guns strutting round at her events.

And evidence of this too please.

She's out of her depth in a political environment that has been a tinderbox for a long time and I genuinely fear where this might end.

Gosh! So a group of people cannot control themselves, seem to enjoy intimidating, screaming, yelling at women, being violent toward women and generally proving they are the antithesis of tolerant. While declaring they are the most tolerant and righteous. And because that group cannot control themselves and be in anyway respectful, women should just ‘shut the fuck up!’

Yeah. Well done in infantilising a group and removing any responsibility they have over their own actions.

It is truly remarkable the lengths people go to. But every time it ends up: ‘These most marginalised people cannot help how they conduct themselves. They are fully justified in behaving in ways that harm women, because women are not doing what the group want!’

And now she's got men with guns strutting round at her events.

And evidence of this too please.

Security for the Austin event twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1586427878673186817

So, she has a security firm?

I don’t agree with carrying guns. But I am also not going to declare her beyond the pale for making a decision that is obviously legal in the state she is currently.

She and other groups use security here. Some fabulous females who put themselves in a place to try to keep angry crowds at a distance.

Is the problem that in a county where the police possibly have advised that they won’t come; she is using security? If they weren’t wearing holstered guns, would just having those security personnel there be considered ‘problematic’ in any case?

Or should she and other women just STFU and stop speaking in public?

Is the issue as simple as that?

Women should stop speaking in public, entirely legal for them to do so by the way, because otherwise violent protestors simply have to attend to sort those women out!

Police refuse to attend, men turn up with weaponry, a woman is attacked and has multiple bones in her hand broken, plus accompanying soft-tissue damage, and now SFW is employing private security.

If men can't be blamed for turning up with weapons because someone might shout "groomer" at them, then why can Kellie-Jay be blamed for employing private security after men turned up with weaponry and a woman was attacked and had multiple bones in her hand broken, plus accompanying soft-tissue damage?

Only posted to provide the evidence that you asked for.

Bus isn’t carrying a gun legal in America if you have a permit? So those men are behaving perfectly legally?

Well quite.

A security firm acting as, well, security - in a perfectly legal manner for the relevant country they are in - is a problem because...?

(just to be pedantic, there are probably women with guns too. They don't depend on a penis for operation and well - it's America. Guns are legal for both sexes)

I’m just confused as to how @christinarossetti39 knew they were men? Or were there physical clues?