Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats

[ArabellaScott]

Not quite sure what's happened - seems there were credible threats to women's lives over these protests.

twitter.com/StandingforXX

Now it seems a few women went ahead and met up and were attacked. (Nobody seriously hurt as far as I can tell)

twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1585012546766966784

Hoping everyone is safe and well.

And again. A security firm?

Not quite ‘And now she's got men with guns strutting round at her events.’ as the poster ‘livvy posts’ implied.

So, cristina, what do you recommend that KJK does after Tacoma and the fact the police refused to come?

As I asked, is the answer that she and other women should just shut the fuck up then?

I don’t agree with carrying guns. But I am also not going to declare her beyond the pale for making a decision that is obviously legal in the state she is currently.

And given counter protesters have been attacked with pepper spray would they be justified turning up with guns at the next protest? See how this stuff can escalate? Some parts of the US are in a dangerous state at the moment, I'm not surprised the police have little time for someone turning up from outside and pouring petrol onto a very tense situation. And for what, it's just another ego-fuelled spectacle that benefits no-one except Kellie-Jay and her personal brand building.

A self-defensive retaliation to a physical attack is not generally called "an attack" 🤷🏼‍♀️

Insisting on repeatedly misrepresenting it as such - with no evidence - isn't a strategy I would go with if I were trying to look impartial.

And given counter protesters have been attacked with pepper spray would they be justified turning up with guns at the next protest? See how this stuff can escalate? Some parts of the US are in a dangerous state at the moment, I'm not surprised the police have little time for someone turning up from outside and pouring petrol onto a very tense situation. And for what, it's just another ego-fuelled spectacle that benefits no-one except Kellie-Jay and her personal brand building.

Yes. We get it.

Because a group of seemingly mostly males cannot control themselves and behave like respectable humans. Because so many people hand wave the behaviour away as justified and right side of history. Women should stay silent.

Hey wims! Shut the fuck up!!!

And given counter protesters have been attacked with pepper spray would they be justified turning up with guns at the next protest? See how this stuff can escalate?

And hey wims! You deserve the violence because you turned up to a women’s rally and spoke. A couple of you sang even!

But how do you know it was the women who used pepper spray. It has been reported the TRA were carrying pepper spray, and a picture posted up thread. You seem very keen on justifying this attack on innocent women.

’Women are certainly the blame for violent males and lawlessness.’

I think we understand it, correctly!

I am really not understanding the perspective that these violent protestors across multiple countries now are continually told they are justified for their behaviour towards peaceful protests where women speak, sing , recite poetry and carry placards with things people don’t want to hear.

I am not sure when this started to be dismissed as being ‘justified’ or as being righteous. But we see it most days now.

I guess all boundaries are being lowered further and further.

Every time GC people are the victims of violence for attending an event that had trans activist organisers, we are told on MN that they shouldn't have gone. Fred Sargeant is an example- an elderly gay man who attended a pride event and was attacked there.

How come trans activists aren't told to not go to Standing For Women events? Instead, i'm being told they're entitled to go there with weapons.

What's truly ridiculous is the justification that it is okay for them to take weapons, because KJ's security team are armed.

Reminds me of rape apologists, domestic violence apologists, the same old, same old. Whatever bad things happen to women, women brought it on themselves.

What are SFW doing that warrants the behaviour from the tras? If red dress has stayed home, if the sprogs had stayed in class, what material difference would it have made to their lives? Why the overkill at women using their words and, sometimes saying 'no'? Why are the tras finding that so frightening?

Is it because it makes the tras think 'perhaps we're the baddies'.

Yes pots. No symmetry at all.

But also, it is not preportionate. In momentum or actions. A single gay man being abused and assaulted at a pride march here in the UK by hundreds.

Fred in the US. Lesbians attacked with flares in the Bordeaux march.

Oh ffs. Posie Parker has been told that the police probably wouldn't come and help if she and other women were attacked, and if anyone was hurt, nor would the ambulance. She gets security because she's constantly threatened with violence.

Woman threatened with violence gets armed guard, and the people who support that violence take great exception to it.

This support of violence against women and girls is disgusting, but it's absolutely muppetry to try spinning it on this board.

Here's Gabs Clark today in Austin: mobile.twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1586454001087807488
👏👊

And now she's got men with guns strutting round at her events.

I personally think that if this is your take of security guards being present, that you make out the worst, that it is wild eyed men with machine guns out threatening everyone, then perhaps you need to understand the depth of your own prejudices.

So, are we going to next demonise any other UK women’s group who agrees to use the amazingly brave Liane and her group for security because they might have security written on their clothes and looked bored but stony at screaming males?

Because I feel that is where this is going.

If you look at this situation and think ‘And now she's got men with guns strutting round at her events’ rather than, ‘blimey after Portland and the Tacoma where the police would not attend, women are so frightened but resolute and defiant that they take professional security.’ Then I think we can see how deep your prejudices are.

And we have seen from the Brighton feminist page of sins just how that can manifest itself.

If the police had been there, (as they sometimes attend protests in the UK-) would they have been armed, as this is the US?

also interested in the language we are seeing used by various organisations and posters (children- anyone, young people-primary age kids)

Yes apocalipstick

and no doubt strutting

KJK is one hundred percent right to have security. She should have had them at all events in America. I unfortunately can't say what I want to say on this forum to the posters who justify attacks on women for speaking and complain about women trying to defend themselves. Shameful.

Hell I cut and paste for quick reference and used the word 'security' in my post.

Report it if you think it's breaking any guidelines.

Women are responsible for men's violence.

Women should stay at home and shut up.

We know this tune.

Some footage from Tacoma:

Put a video together from #Tacoma
Women were threatened, touched, spit on, signs were destroyed, even knocked down and a hand broken, then followed!
#protectwomen #LetWomenSpeakUSA #letwomenspeak @StandingforXX @MrAndyNgo Watch 👇🏻

Here's a (huge) 'kid' getting right up in a woman's face and trying to spit on her:

twitter.com/goeke_christina/status/1586471261768544256?t=4L8c9UHjBIUthtMYzfGLUQ&s=19

yes. I am aware it was livvyposts who was said the ‘And now she's got men with guns strutting round at her events’

However, my question to you still stands.

Do you think it was ok to hire some kind of security or do you think this will qualify as something that other feminist groups are going to keep bringing up in the future?

Here's a (huge) 'kid' getting right up in a woman's face and trying to spit on her:

I'd worry about any adult who thinks that using pepper spray directly in the face of a teenage girl is a proportionate response to them trying (and failing) to spit on you.

More details emerging now of the 14 year old girl who says she was pepper sprayed and racially abused by the anti-trans protesters (see attached). She says she plans to press charges so we may get some idea of what actually happened eventually.

Excellent. Absolutely report to the police and get this to court.

Now, imagine thinking that the intimidating mob, screaming and yelling was a ‘peaceful’ protest. If this passes for a peaceful protest, no wonder all meanings of other words are up for grabs.

I repeat, this was not peaceful. Intimidation of women is not peaceful protesting.

Helleefabre I didn't realise that I needed to have constructed a detailed analysis of a situation before a quick post to link some information that someone had asked for.

Are there additional guidelines about posting on this thread, or are the usual MN ones sufficient?