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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Katie Dolatowski up in court again

136 replies

ImperioMarch · 18/10/2022 21:54

Tried to access Women's Aid then failed to register with the police as per the rules for sex offenders

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/courts/3794587/dolatowski-move-fife-breach/

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ArabellaScott · 05/11/2022 11:22

So, is Katie not really a transwoman? Because the Scottish government have assured us that this never happens. Transwomen never assault women or children, they said.

PronounssheRa · 05/11/2022 11:29

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2022 11:21

', chief executive of Leeds Women’s Aid, said of the breach: “We are appalled that someone with such crimes could come to a women’s refuge using a different identity.

“We are aware a criminal using authenticated identification could access any housing provider’s services and we are not unique in being manipulated in this way.”'

I hate to criticise women's aid, but fucking hell, they weren't duped or manipulated, they choose not to use the exemptions provided by the EA. They choose to allow males who identify as women to access their services. Away from the cutsie photoshopped avatar, in real life its bloody obvious this person is male.

Chersfrozenface · 05/11/2022 11:29

If they can be manipulated in this way their safeguarding systems and / or safeguarding systems in general are not fit for purpose.

And what exactly does "authenticated identification" mean?

MichelleScarn · 05/11/2022 11:31

If Katie says Katie is trans ergo Katie is trans? Does SNP not state acceptance without debate?

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2022 11:36

in real life its bloody obvious this person is male

Yes.

BedTaker · 05/11/2022 11:41

Away from the cutsie photoshopped avatar, in real life its bloody obvious this person is male.

Yes, there is another photo of him doing the rounds now, and it is now clear that the heavily photoshopped photo that is mostly used for this man is incredibly misleading.

mrshoho · 05/11/2022 11:42

MichelleScarn · 05/11/2022 11:31

If Katie says Katie is trans ergo Katie is trans? Does SNP not state acceptance without debate?

Yes anyone daring to question is a bigot and threatened with arrest.

What a fucking mess.

crumpet · 05/11/2022 11:56

stealtheatingtunnocks · 18/10/2022 23:35

I was told that when the women complained they were told it was ok because KD only offended against children. So that is sensible, isn’t it?

I think children were housed there too weren’t they?

FOJN · 05/11/2022 12:54

I listen to a lot of true crime podcasts and the pattern of behaviour and punishment for child sex predators is devastatingly predictable. They're never taken seriously when they are young and their offences are viewed as "minor", the court always believes their history of a difficult childhood is relevant to their actions and that they can be rehabilitated. Sadly there are far too many dead children and traumatised survivors for me to understand why the courts give these predators the benefit of the doubt.

We should not show leniency to predators who have been abused as minors themselves, not because they are responsible and need to be punished for their own trauma but because by the time that trauma has manifested in harming others we have set the stage for a vicious cycle that never ends. We need to ensure that however the courts deal with these offenders one of the most important things we do is to make sure they are prevented from accessing children by whatever restrictions necessary.

I'm sick of hearing about tragedy. It's not a fucking tragedy if it was predictable and preventable; it's negligence and stupidity.

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2022 13:22

Mail article:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11392601/Transgender-paedophile-caught-duping-staff-71-day-stay-domestic-violence-refuge.html

I suppose no point asking if the Guardian are covering it.

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2022 13:25

It's not a fucking tragedy if it was predictable and preventable; it's negligence and stupidity.

100%, and we have politicians on record telling us that this never happens, is in fact impossible.

Women and girls have been traumatised by Dolatowski as a direct result of the erosion of boundaries caused by genderism, and the pretence that males are able to become females and identify out of male behaviours.

bellinisurge · 05/11/2022 13:28

It is bloody obvious that this is a bloke. I don't care what name he has changed to, he shouldn't have been allowed in.

MichelleScarn · 05/11/2022 13:31

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2022 13:22

Oh they probably will, but will have poor, vulnerable KD at the forefront, and how mean it is of the women to be scared and complain.

Hewbean · 05/11/2022 13:35

That brave girl in Morrisons, bless her. Nicola needs to give her own head a wobble.

ZeldaFighter · 05/11/2022 14:10

lifeinthelastlane · 05/11/2022 11:05

I see the article says there was a separate section of the refuge for trans people (I wonder to what extent that overlapped with the women and children) so it would be hiding the crimes that was the issue to them not being a man.

It's quite sad that this could be a solution. Refuge spaces for transmen and transwomen survivors of domestic violence- it just needs to be a separate space physically from other survivors, particularly vulnerable women and children.

fraicheur · 05/11/2022 14:18

We have left a very very generous bequest to Women’s Aid in our joint wills.

Deliberately placing a sex offender in a women’s hostel has made me FURIOUS.

I’ll need to re-do our wills. Fuckssake. It’s a pain but they won’t get a single penny more from our family either monthly, one off, bequests, Christmas donations nothing. Those poor poor children.

I wonder if there are other charities who are (no longer?) captured by this bullshit. Food banks, maybe? I’ll have to research.

LaughingPriest · 05/11/2022 14:38

PronounssheRa · 05/11/2022 11:29

I hate to criticise women's aid, but fucking hell, they weren't duped or manipulated, they choose not to use the exemptions provided by the EA. They choose to allow males who identify as women to access their services. Away from the cutsie photoshopped avatar, in real life its bloody obvious this person is male.

Absolutely.

We are appalled that someone with such crimes could come to a women’s refuge using a different identity.

So appalled that you are going to, idk, do something about it?

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2022 17:07

To be fair to Women's Aid, those that have tried to maintain single sex spaces have risked being defunded.

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2022 17:07

fraicheur · 05/11/2022 14:18

We have left a very very generous bequest to Women’s Aid in our joint wills.

Deliberately placing a sex offender in a women’s hostel has made me FURIOUS.

I’ll need to re-do our wills. Fuckssake. It’s a pain but they won’t get a single penny more from our family either monthly, one off, bequests, Christmas donations nothing. Those poor poor children.

I wonder if there are other charities who are (no longer?) captured by this bullshit. Food banks, maybe? I’ll have to research.

I believe NIA maintain a single sex refuge.

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2022 17:09

They work throughout London, looks like: niaendingviolence.org.uk/

I know that several specific Women's Aid refuges lost funding to 'gender neutral' service providers.

Some of whom happened to be funded by Sacro. Mridhul Wadhwa's husband is on the board of Sacro. Mridhul is of course the male who runs Rape Crisis Edinburgh.

ImperioMarch · 05/11/2022 21:34

lifeinthelastlane · 05/11/2022 11:05

I see the article says there was a separate section of the refuge for trans people (I wonder to what extent that overlapped with the women and children) so it would be hiding the crimes that was the issue to them not being a man.

One of the women said she saw Dolatowski hanging around the prams - so definitely able to access at least some of the same areas as women.

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IwantToRetire · 05/11/2022 21:53

Leeds Women’s Aid Statement:

On 9th September 2022, a resident at the Leeds Domestic Violence Service (LDVS) refuge run by Leeds Women’s Aid (LWA) was taken into police custody. The individual had used an identity, and related official documents in the same name, to access the refuge, and in doing so they concealed their previous convictions for child sex offences.

Once the person’s true identity and crimes were revealed, we alerted the police and the individual was taken into custody. At no time were we aware of their previous identity or crimes.

LWA is taking this extremely seriously and we are undertaking a thorough investigation. We have not found evidence of any crimes having been committed during the period when the person was resident with us.

LWA has been an established and highly regarded service for the last 50 years. The safety of service users and staff is paramount and the appropriate support is being put in place. LWA’s priority remains victims-survivors, and we want all survivors to be able to access the support they need when accessing domestic abuse services.

Nik Peasgood, Chief Executive of LWA, said, “We are appalled that someone with such crimes could come to a women’s refuge using a different identity. We are aware that a criminal using authenticated identification could access any housing provider’s services, and we are not unique in being manipulated in this way.

We have informed children’s services and are working with our closest stakeholders, including Leeds City Council and Women’s Aid Federation England, and will share any learning with our sector in order to improve safety of victims-survivors.”

leedswomensaid.co.uk/leeds-womens-aid-statement-nov-22/

fraicheur · 05/11/2022 22:21

ImperioMarch · 05/11/2022 21:34

One of the women said she saw Dolatowski hanging around the prams - so definitely able to access at least some of the same areas as women.

There is a shared garden…

Yeah something doesn’t match up here.

Fififafa · 05/11/2022 22:25

NotBadConsidering · 18/10/2022 23:33

A convicted sex offender was placed in a women’s hostel. On purpose. Knowing he is a sex offender.

It’s truly evil when this ideology leads to such events.

Seems like this man’s right to call himself a woman overrides the safety of actual women and girls.

fraicheur · 05/11/2022 22:26

@ArabellaScott I will have to Google Sacro. But thank you for the background and the alternative charity suggestion. The NIA group look appear more sensible.