Tory meltdown hurting our chances to turn Labour round?

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Something I'm worrying about - the Tory shitshow is so comprehensive it's looking like Labour just have to hang on until the next election and step into government. Doesn't give them much incentive to listen to women, does it?

I hope I'm wrong but it's on my mind.

Have you forgotten Crispin Blunt, Caroline Nokes and Penny Mordaunt's drive for this?🤯🤯🤯

Or are you one of those who is blind to anything outside the view that the Tories are good for women?

BTW I urge you all to contact your MP and ask them not to back Penny Mordaunt for new PM. And I'll admit to being a bit tinfoil-hat here; 2 of the first MPs to call for Truss's resignation on Sunday were Crispin Blunt and Jamie Wallis.

Wonder no more, the answer is YES. I will be a cunt about any party in power that's destroying my rights.

In other threads I have posted about women in the Labour party like Rosie Duffield stand up for women's rights and get shouted down by others in her party.

And there are people like Crispin Blunt (old gay man making up for lost time by becoming an extreme LGBT rights campaigner) and Penny Mordant who are obsessed with trans rights.

I'm not sure what you're getting at? It's not difficult to understand that members within the one political party have differing views.

You just seem to think everything is going to change and be better with a different party in power, when in fact it's the external forces that exert the power on these issues.

Labour in government will resolve the current infighting in government, economic policies are very similar between the parties etc.

Or are you one of those who is blind to anything outside the view that the Tories are good for women?

Why do people keep saying this. I'm not sure I've seen anyone on this thread saying that the Tories are "good for women", just that Labour are proposing some policies that will undoubtably be bad for women. It's bizarre that these criticisms cannot be made without people coming on and misinterpreting the arguments. It's really quite disturbing.

Wonder no more, the answer is YES.Grin I will be a cunt about any party in power that's destroying my rights.

So do you not believe that Labour will bring in Self-ID or the "conversion therapy" ban for "trans" children? Or increase the rights of males to access women's only spaces? Or do you just not believe that these things will harm women and children?

A worrying missive from Clive Simpson on Starmer's intentions, as stated at the Pink News awards recently.

I believe that the Conservatives will in this parliamentary term if Penny Mordaunt becomes PM. I believe that the Conservatives owe it to us to safeguard our rights in law.

I can't vote for Labour or the Conservatives, so I have no horse in this race. My concern is women's rights, not English political parties.

What is most bizarre is that those on the brink of getting what they want most (i.e a Labour government) are still so insecure that they feel the need to berate women who are critical of potential Labour policy, misrepresenting their arguments, calling them deluded etc. You are about to get exactly what you want. You can relax a bit now! Roll on the women's rights revolution!

I can't vote for Labour or the Conservatives, so I have no horse in this race. My concern is women's rights, not English political parties.

Oh right. We're in the same boat then.

Are you in NI too @Signalbox?🙂👋 You going to the protest next week?

Joan Smith unimpressed:
'Last night, Starmer told us who he was and exactly what he intends to do. In a tragedy for Left-leaning women and the country, it is now clear that Labour has been fully captured by gender extremists. A Starmer government will look after the interests of trans activists, not women.'
unherd.com/thepost/what-keir-starmer-told-pink-news-is-a-sign-of-things-to-come/

Oh no I'm not, sorry I mistook your meaning.

How long before someone comes along to berate Joan for stirring up a culture war and calling her deluded for thinking the Tories are great for women's rights.

Yeah that Joan Smith - deluded, gullible and stomps off whenever she can't get her own way.

Ah, OK.

If any NI women are reading this, there's a Women Deserve Better rally at Belfast City Hall next Saturday.

TooBigForMyBoots you obviously don’t have the option to vote Labour or Tory whereas I just can’t bring myself to vote for either. Call me naïve but I didn’t realise there was no Labour or Conservative Party in NI.

Aye, we're a law unto ourselves here. And most of us hate all the English political parties.😂😂😂

There’s not much to like tbf.

This is true I think. Its a good description of what's happened.

I think the reason we have had some success in England compared to other English speaking western countries is that the party in power at the time this happened doesn't have many true believers. There are not that many fanatical tra's in the party because the tra beliefs have come out of the left. That's meant the party's adoption of the policy positions (& especially the underlying ideology) has been more superficial.

But the labour party will almost certainly be the next government so it's important to keep going and puuuullllling within that party. I hope Lachlan & labour women's declaration are right. It's depressing that there are only 30-40 terfy Labour mp's. Whether they are right or wrong they have to keep trying.

If we're looking at which party would be easier to change from the inside - particularly after a decade of left Labour/Green/SNP women trying this and getting absolutely nowhere - it would be easier to get the Tories to grow compassion, a coherent plan and get rid of the sleaze than to get any of the Left parties to stop being visceral misogynists and to ditch this awful, harmful alternative reality stuff.

It's depressing that there are only 30-40 terfy Labour mp's. Whether they are right or wrong they have to keep trying.

I’m amazed there’s that many. I guess it makes sense to keep it quiet until after the general election because they risk deselection. Is that why they don’t speak out? I do hope they all come out into open at some point. It must be quite frustrating for the likes of Rosie Duffield and Tonia Antoniazzi to not be publicly supported by the Labour MPs who privately agree with them.

If you're looking at which party would be easier to change from the inside, look to the smaller parties. They need people and you are more likely to be listened to.

There's 2 years til the next election. From what I'm seeing here and across MN is how disappointed voters are regardless of who they voted. The desire is there for a new party and there will be a fuckload of seats up for grabs.

its an existing problem that the tories havent dealt with. Labour could be in power soon. Do you expect them to deal with it

So yes, a tory party problem . They are in power so they are the ones who need to be held account as they are the ones who have the power to have changed the issues, but chose not to.

I would hold the labour government to account if they were in power and professing to stop these issues, but still not doing so.

From the current labour stance i cannot see anything changing than what it currently is.

This is not a debate that should be being used as something to raise the Tories up for as people keep saying "at least the tories know what a woman is" yes they do, and they blatantly show you the complete disregard they have for us. Its a non sensical argument.

From the current labour stance i cannot see anything changing than what it currently is.

Starmer at the Pink News conference, I think today, announcing that if in power he will beef up 'hate crime' regs against TQ+ and make misgendering much more of a punishable offense, essentially make it illegal.

Yes, it will change. It will get ten times worse.

This is not a debate that should be being used as something to raise the Tories up for as people keep saying "at least the tories know what a woman is" yes they do, and they blatantly show you the complete disregard they have for us. Its a non sensical argument.

Let's face it Labour MP's also know what a woman is. But for whatever reason they have become obsessed with securing the rights of a tiny minority of men over the interests of women. And to achieve that they lie that they no longer know what they knew to be true 5 years ago. And they're prepared to bring in laws that force the rest of us to lie about it too.