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Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling

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SwanageBay · 17/10/2022 12:41

Well that's one less beardy man on there defending rape and death threats.

Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling
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ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:47

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:39

you are conflating so much stuff there men don’t dictate to women but some of us women think trans women are women and have no problems with that even if you guys don’t like that

Some of us don't. Why are we not allowed to say no to male bodies in female spaces? Why does our consent not matter? Why are additional, gender neutral spaces not good enough?

Helleofabore · 18/10/2022 09:48

RealFeminist · 18/10/2022 09:38

SORRY PET MY MISTAKE AH THOUGHT YOU WERE ONE O THE KIDS GOOD ON YE BEIN SO FREE THINKING THO

Grin
Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:48

TheKeatingFive · 18/10/2022 09:45

Why do you guys always looo at the negatives most extreme examples when there are millions of trans people minding their own business that you prob wouldn’t know were

because if one TWAW because they say they are, all are. If one TW deserves access to womens spaces, they all do, including this one.

Do you really not understand that point?

You see we never do that with anyone else do we? We don’t say that there are peodophikes that are some men so that being said men shouldn’t teach as they may be peodophiles etc. etc

TheKeatingFive · 18/10/2022 09:48

Safeguarding of children interesting what about the children that harm themselves because they feel different do they not matter that they get proper counselling

No one would disagree that these children need proper counselling.

Its the other stuff that mermaids are providing that's the issue.

I find it extraordinary that they people who say they are on trans kids side don't think they deserve safeguarding. It's immensely fucked up.

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:48

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:35

Was that at the hands of a trans woman or just a man because if it’s a man it has no relevance here at all

Do you not understand who can come into women's spaces when the only requirement is to state that you "feel" like a woman?

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:49

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:47

Some of us don't. Why are we not allowed to say no to male bodies in female spaces? Why does our consent not matter? Why are additional, gender neutral spaces not good enough?

Personally they are but gatekeeping only harms women like us any way as butch women are getting stopped from using loos to besides which trans women have been using womens loos for decades

Alltheprettyseahorses · 18/10/2022 09:50

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:39

you are conflating so much stuff there men don’t dictate to women but some of us women think trans women are women and have no problems with that even if you guys don’t like that

Why do you think that?

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:50

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:48

You see we never do that with anyone else do we? We don’t say that there are peodophikes that are some men so that being said men shouldn’t teach as they may be peodophiles etc. etc

We put in safeguards. Safeguards that you want to tear down to validate the belief of some people that "woman" is a feeling.

Would a third space for male people who "feel" like women be acceptable? If not, why not? They're women, aren't they?

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:51

TheKeatingFive · 18/10/2022 09:48

Safeguarding of children interesting what about the children that harm themselves because they feel different do they not matter that they get proper counselling

No one would disagree that these children need proper counselling.

Its the other stuff that mermaids are providing that's the issue.

I find it extraordinary that they people who say they are on trans kids side don't think they deserve safeguarding. It's immensely fucked up.

Oh they do but mermaids got rid of that bloke when they found that stuff out it wasn’t as black and white as portrayed though

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:51

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:48

Do you not understand who can come into women's spaces when the only requirement is to state that you "feel" like a woman?

rapists would come in regardless they don’t care about signs ffs

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:52

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:49

Personally they are but gatekeeping only harms women like us any way as butch women are getting stopped from using loos to besides which trans women have been using womens loos for decades

Gatekeeping harms women? Did you actually just say that?

So you accept that women are unsafe if they have to use facilities with men, but you think it harms women to maintain female spaces?

Do you hear yourself? Are you for real?

Oblomov22 · 18/10/2022 09:53

I can't make head nor tail of what GN said wrong in this recent post. His previous posts about JKR show he doesn't know what he's talking about. But was this one really that bad?

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:53

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:50

We put in safeguards. Safeguards that you want to tear down to validate the belief of some people that "woman" is a feeling.

Would a third space for male people who "feel" like women be acceptable? If not, why not? They're women, aren't they?

They shouldn’t need a third space why at my leisure centre we have mixed changing rooms it’s cubicles with locks it works no issues what’s the issue here

MoltenLasagne · 18/10/2022 09:54

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:48

You see we never do that with anyone else do we? We don’t say that there are peodophikes that are some men so that being said men shouldn’t teach as they may be peodophiles etc. etc

Do you understand how safeguarding works?

I'm not a paedophile, I have never committed any crimes, but if I want to work with children I undergo the same safeguarding and DBS checks as anyone else. I can't just say "I'm a woman, I am statistically highly unlikely to be a sex offender plus I'm nice so just don't bother".

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:54

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:51

rapists would come in regardless they don’t care about signs ffs

No. Societal expectation is a real force, as well you know because you're trying to weaponise it now to make women too scared to say no. Once upon a time, we had the force of societal expectation to challenge men in women's spaces. Now you have removed that safeguard, reversed the societal expectation, while claiming it doesn't exist.

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:54

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:52

Gatekeeping harms women? Did you actually just say that?

So you accept that women are unsafe if they have to use facilities with men, but you think it harms women to maintain female spaces?

Do you hear yourself? Are you for real?

First of all telling a woman that may not look feminine that she can’t use the womens loos is wrong and that happens because people like you want to police the bloody toilets etc I don’t find trans women a threat at all

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:55

MoltenLasagne · 18/10/2022 09:54

Do you understand how safeguarding works?

I'm not a paedophile, I have never committed any crimes, but if I want to work with children I undergo the same safeguarding and DBS checks as anyone else. I can't just say "I'm a woman, I am statistically highly unlikely to be a sex offender plus I'm nice so just don't bother".

Yes you do a dbs check but if you haven’t been caught nothing will show but if you are a man then how do we know you are not a peodophile to use the very same logic as those that seem to be scared of trans women all the bloody time

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:55

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:53

They shouldn’t need a third space why at my leisure centre we have mixed changing rooms it’s cubicles with locks it works no issues what’s the issue here

That's not what I asked. Why is an additional third space not acceptable to you?

MoltenLasagne · 18/10/2022 09:56

Can we stop the absurd pretence that a butch woman looks like a man? The butch women I know never wear a scrap of makeup but are clearly female.

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:56

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:54

First of all telling a woman that may not look feminine that she can’t use the womens loos is wrong and that happens because people like you want to police the bloody toilets etc I don’t find trans women a threat at all

You're the only one who mentioned women "looking feminine" or suggested women can't use women's bathrooms.

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:56

MoltenLasagne · 18/10/2022 09:56

Can we stop the absurd pretence that a butch woman looks like a man? The butch women I know never wear a scrap of makeup but are clearly female.

Yet I can link you newspaper articles where they have been stopped from using loos

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:57

Have you got this terrible tweet yet, by the way?

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:57

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:56

You're the only one who mentioned women "looking feminine" or suggested women can't use women's bathrooms.

Because it bloody well happens it’s happened on this group a woman out a post up to

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:57

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 09:57

Have you got this terrible tweet yet, by the way?

Yes put it up go look for it

amyneedssleep · 18/10/2022 10:04

MoltenLasagne · 18/10/2022 09:56

Can we stop the absurd pretence that a butch woman looks like a man? The butch women I know never wear a scrap of makeup but are clearly female.

And the butch women I know are often misgendered. At least two of them have been yelled at when using women's facilities. Maybe you can always tell, but clearly not every one can.

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