Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling

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Well that's one less beardy man on there defending rape and death threats.

So why is the solution to that to allow men to use women's loos?

Just another tedious TRA, with all the stupid points they try to make. You're going be raped anyway, no one cares about safeguarding, trans women aren't harmful, butch women exist, so you should have no boundaries, I like them so that's all that matters.

Although, I have to say, minimising the mermaids fiasco is a bit of an unmasking.

it's hilarious, really. Butch women get misgendered, so women and girls have no right to get undressed in a communal changing room unless there's a man standing there, if he demands it.

So true datun and the bigots and gammons comments

safeguarding och don’t bother. It’s worthless. Gatekeeping same it’s worthless

That tweet was to Billy Bragg. That's why Billy Bragg is in the embedded tweet.

Im guessing the reason why people are trying to pretend she was responding to Graham Norton, and not Billy Bragg, is they perceive that Graham Norton is more popular than Billy Bragg, so they can manufacture a better class of outrage on his pretend behalf.

What's the problem with it? How is it comparable to rape and death threats?

The quality of argument by TRA's on here (never very high) seems to have taken a severe dip over the last few months in particular.

Waitwhat23

hasn't it though?

And the butch women I know are often misgendered. At least two of them have been yelled at when using women's facilities. Maybe you can always tell, but clearly not every one can.

Who's doing the yelling in this scenario? Is it other women? Because that would be a pretty clear signal that they don't consent to men in their facilities, wouldn't it?

Create third spaces for those who are happy to risk mixed sex provision, but do not assume you can impose them on the rest of us.

So true wait.

you read what they write and my eyes 👀. Did you actually just write that out in public view

I'm interested to hear that men will enter women's spaces anyway, because as a younger woman I was often followed and harassed in public places...and they always fucked off once I got into a women's bathroom. They COULD have just walked in, but for some reason they never did, and in fact lost interest and went off.

Societal expectation is a thing. It's powerful. It's often the only protection we have.

And it's the very negation of this expectation that is, in some cases, causing trouble to gender non-conforming women. Because we used to be able to trust that a butch woman was a butch woman. We could even trust that the very very small number of transwomen in those rooms were also genuine, as the societal expectation was that they would not be there unless they had gone through a process (bearing in mind that you can't change sex).

Now thar toilets have become an opportunity for land grabbing and boundary breakdown in order to destroy women's spaces more widely, we can't trust this any more. And naturally, women are being blamed for it. Not the activists who rejected third spaces and fought to destroy safeguards, boundaries and consent.

Societal expectation is real and powerful. We never relied on anti-man force fields.

You see we never do that with anyone else do we? We don’t say that there are peodophikes that are some men so that being said men shouldn’t teach as they may be peodophiles etc. etc

Did I just read this?

Really? That because some men are paedophiles woman should not demand that single sex spaces be maintained as single sex spaces?

I must say that this is a great live demonstration. Is this too good to be true?

But butch women aren't men, they're women? So by yelling out their lack of consent, they're taking away the consent of other women to use the facilities peacefully.

And in any case, I was simply replying to a comment that boldly stated butch women always look like women. Clearly, to some people, they don't.

@ReneBumsWombats I was actually thinking around this earlier - I used to work in public buildings and had quite a few women over the years take refuge in our toilets. Often their partners would ask me to check on them because 'they'd been a while'. The fact such men didn't/wouldn't access the women's toilets because they knew they'd be questioned meant that I could check on the woman (out of the hearing of her partner) and signpost her to services/support if needed.

Now? The partner can just say the magic words and access that space. Women's places of refuge are being erased.

So Graham Norton doesn't specify exactly who/what he did/didn't mean in his non-commital throwaway response to a question he didn't want to answer and that makes him very bad and very stupid.

JKR doesn't specify that her tweet about "bearded men" wasn't directed towards GN (you know, despite the fact that the subject is about his interview) but that's ok because "only an idiot would misunderstand"?

Alrighty.

Cancel culture is bad and shouldn't be celebrated. But it's ok when it's towards Norton and we should be "popping the champagne" as some posters have said.

Yep, that about sums it up nicely, doesn't it.

This poster repeatedly lies, repeats those lies often it seems with the intention to derail a thread.

Safeguarding of children interesting what about the children that harm themselves because they feel different do they not matter that they get proper counselling and if that’s the direction that would help them but you guys say no they can’t have binders etc yet look at Georgia stone on Netflix she knew she was trans when she was younger and she’s very happy now you guys never look at the positives do you

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27300085/

I am posting this for any readers interested in just how harmful breast binders are for females. And please note that these were adults who replied and not teenagers. There is a text version floating around, we have had it cut and pasted before. It is now behind a paywall and Advanced Search seems to be down.

Even so, this poster is again using emotional manipulation here. And confusion. The sparple in this thread is quite amazing to see.

Georgie Stone is a male. And has never bound breasts. Why mention a male transitioner in the same sentence as 'binders'?

Got any evidence to support that butch women are prevented from using the toilets?

Because as we have seen already, some 'butch' women actually turn around and thank the woman who is querying their presence in the toilet because 'butch' women also appreciate female single sex spaces? And strangely, when a 'butch' woman talks, people's worries quite disappear unless that 'butch' woman has also been micro dosing enough testosterone (probably not a 'micro dose', to be fair) to change their voice.

Stop repeating tired old trope.

I'm still trying to process the 'JKR is not a nice person' comment.

JKR who has dropped off the forbes billionaire list because of her charitable donations. Whose philanthropy is so vast and far-reaching it's almost impossible to discover its full extent (try googling - the results go on and on.) Whose work has taught a generation of children about integrity, loyalty and standing up for what's right, and who has personally championed those whose voices aren't heard with relentless and awe-inspiring courage, at massive personal cost.

Not a nice person. Whereas Graham Norton, whose vainglorious TV show has the regular 'red chair' slot, the sole purpose of which is to humiliate members of the public, and who scores cheap laughs by mocking and sneering at (mostly female) celebrities. Graham Norton who dressed up in a fat suit and smeared fake jizz on his face to lampoon Jade Goody (tweet here twitter.com/JamesHeartfield/status/1581629945541185537/photo/1) Graham Norton is a national treasure. "Kind, intelligent, gentle" (twitter.com/ShappiKhorsandi/status/1581997075121680386) Just trying to be reasonable.

Surprising how many of these lovely, sensitive, #bekind men have evidence of being misogynistic, bullying assholes in their past, isn't it?

I am still making my way through page 17, but can this thread get anymore bonkers?

The live demonstration of the tired old trope, misrepresentations, hypocritical and bad faith takes is really quite eye opening. But the undying support of Mermaids and the handwaving away of their responsibility to have at the very least done their own google search on their appointed trustee rather than telling everyone that they relied on a university to employ a person who was not a paedophile supporter is remarkable.

For the readers, a university only has to ensure the safeguarding for university aged students I believe. And I understand that supporting paedophiles is considered a legitimate academic pursuit from what I have been told. No organisation who has the responsibility to care for children's welfare should use criteria for safeguarding for an older age group to be safe for a much younger age group.

In what world does this even sound plausible?

I'm still trying to process the 'JKR is not a nice person' comment.

I mean at the end of the day it's not really something you get to decide on, is it? Someone thinking JKR isn't a nice person is their incentive, you can't "prove" that someone is nice by listing all of the good things they've done. Celebrities creating charities and giving money to charities isn't an indication of them being "good".

People are seeing this situation and not liking it, JKR supporters included. She is able to slip up, make a bad call, a bad decision. Holding JKR up as some sort of heroine who has never done anything wrong and will never do anything wrong isn't doing her, or yourselves, any favours.

People thinking JKR isn't nice, is ok.

There you go one example funny you don’t believe when people say this has happened but you guys want us to believe everything that your side says happen? metro.co.uk/2022/05/19/woman-barred-from-ms-toilets-by-worker-who-mistook-her-for-a-man-16675654/

Fuck me jimmy saville donated shit loads of money to charity and yet he was a monster so giving money to charity means fuck all when you use your platform to say shut about trans people. Including the latest thing saying they are mentally ill

ALL CAPS is annoying, but so is the absence of punctuation.