Trans-identifying people seeking extra rights

[SimpleName83]

Just that, really, Most people accept their sex, date of birth, place of birth. It is an historical, factual document of their birth.

Trans-identifying people seek to change a factual documentation of their birth.

That's not equality. That is transpeople being given extra rights to rewrite history.

And they are they ones saying they're oppressed??!!

I agree. If you want to change your gender legally then you could have an appendix added to your birth certificate which states this. This will help with the issues around DBs checks at the moment too.

I agree and I think the GRA should be repealed, it is bad law and has created a whole host of problems in across society, especially for women and children.

And not just their history, either.

nobody should have a right to do that.

They are absolutely oppressed. Hence why horrible threads are written about trans people on this site daily. Not sure that would be acceptable about any other marginalised group…

How are they oppressed? What rights do transpeople not have that everyone else has? How are transpeople marginalised?

I don't really understand the GRA. If gender and sex are not the same, and gender if fluid, then why does one need to officially have their gender recognised? Non transgender people do not require a legal recognition of their gender, it is their sex at birth that is recorded on a birth certificate, not gender. Sex cannot change.

When you think about it logically then trans-sexualism is a pretty crazy notion. The idea that a whole section of the population are actually the opposite sex to that of which they are biologically made, and that they are 'born in the wrong body' and willing to change that body by taking voluntary medication and having their genitals removed or a new appendage created is madness. Unless genetic testing shows their outward presentation of sexual organs to be at odds with genetic sex (which is extremely rare) then his is surely a psychological disorder requiring treatment.

As for those that want to live as the opposite gender but not undergo surgery or hormone therapy, then isn't that just dressing up because I can't see how the genders are really defined other than by appearance- I like to to think I can dress how I like and still be a woman- so how does wearing a dress and having long hair make you a woman- and vice versa- also puzzled by transwomen that claim to be men but then decide to have a baby.

In the eyes of the law you should remain the sex you are biologically for sure.

Well said perfectpuss.

It also creates a division between 'real' and 'legal' sex whereby even after obtaining a GRC you can be still be excluded from certain arbitrary things, like inheriting a peerage.

I don’t understand what rights trans people don’t have because if you’re in the UK then everyone has equal rights.

Your ‘gender’ doesn’t grant anyone rights, it’s a fictional stereotype, if you want to present as a different gender then dress/act however you like but I’ll do the same and still be a woman no matter what.

Can you explain how trans people are oppressed?

And also point to the ‘horrible threads’ on here, please? Because there is non, unless you count women discussing the impact in on women, children and society in general as horrible. In which case, you really need to think about why you see that as horrible.

Also, how does threads about the trans issue = oppression?

Thanks

@Oopsydaisynotagain I wouldn't say trans people are oppressed, certainly not in the UK which is generally very tolerant. Gay people in Iran are oppressed if you want an example of what oppression looks like.

As for them being a marginalised group....I'm not sure either way. Do trans people live on the margins of society? From what I see no they don't. They have exactly the same legal rights as everyone else in the UK.
However I accept that lots of people consider them 'odd' for want of a better word and would avoid them because so many them are such difficult people to be around with their policed pronouns/victim mentality/misogyny.

@BloodyHellKen

In Iran gay people are encouraged to 'transition' and in Iran that means full surgical transition.

Gay people in Iran are oppressed if you want an example of what oppression looks like

I think women in Iran right now are a better example of oppression. So many being murdered for daring to say no to men.

Were you stamping your foot as you wrote this?

People who want to change the details of their birth certificate are breathtakingly arrogant.

Please can you list clearly how they are oppressed?

What actual rights do trans people want/need in the UK that they don’t currently have?

@sashh yes, I know that and it's a further example of how gay people are oppressed in Iran.

@Whatsnewpussyhat I used gay people as an example as I know they are given the option to 'trans away the gay' in Iran.

Perhaps you should actually read the threads you are referring to as horrible.

Could you point to one example of a thread that is about ‘oppressing’ trans people and let’s discuss it?

What rights do trans people not have ?

We would like a list. Of rights. Not privileges. Not demands that are not being met. But Human Rights that trans people do not have in the UK.

Or was your post supposed to be a drive by shaming of posters discussing the conflicts between the rights of women and children and another group, particularly the conflicts relating to males in that group.

If it was meant to shame posters, try harder maybe. It didn’t quite have the shaming degree of emotional manipulation it needed.

Just want to say I fully agree with this comment.
But also I think it’s a bit dramatic saying they are “given extra rights”.
They are a minority in society who are often treated with abuse. To put this hand in hand and assume they are being given extra rights is a stretch.

When DH and I got married after covid, we were told to re register our daughters birth so it said we were married on the birth certificate. When we were not at all when she was born.
Nobody has accused my daughter of having extra rights than anybody else to amend her birth certificate and change history.
So mixed feelings on this one .

Because if a transperson amends their birth certificate, it gives them the right not to declare any previous names on a DBS check. Which other group has this privilege?

The thing which I find most strange is the focus on the eraser of actually being trans. It seems counter productive, and whilst some now insist on just being women rather than trans women we have the extra adage of being cis. It’s actually so insane when you look at it, and a lot of the movement is extremely hypocritical.

And by calling a trans woman a trans woman, no matter how accepting you are of their choices and them as people, you are transphobic. Eh?

Centre of gravity and muscle/bone differences will not change dramatically enough no matter how many hormones are taken. This is biological fact. A male sex body will have advantages over a female sex body. Therefor a male body should absolutely not compete in female categories. It’s not difficult.