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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans-identifying people seeking extra rights

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SimpleName83 · 16/10/2022 02:36

Just that, really, Most people accept their sex, date of birth, place of birth. It is an historical, factual document of their birth.

Trans-identifying people seek to change a factual documentation of their birth.

That's not equality. That is transpeople being given extra rights to rewrite history.

And they are they ones saying they're oppressed??!!

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ReunitedThorns · 17/10/2022 22:52

lifeturnsonadime · 17/10/2022 22:33

I don't think you have read this thread.

It has been much more nuanced on the subject of women who identify as men than you are making out.

In any event it is a poor argument for the inclusion of males in women's safe spaces.

Who said anything about wanting males in female spaces?

Stating that I don't want trans men in female only spaces means letting men in?

Again, it's the lack of nuance. "Oh you don't female trans men in female spaces, therefore you want all men in female spaces".

It's very clear that male looking people in women-only spaces should be a no-no. Otherwise (again loophole) natal men will come in and say "oh I'm actually a trans man".

lifeturnsonadime · 17/10/2022 22:57

Seriously this doesn't even make sense.

Do you think trans women are female? Do you think trans men are male?

I need to understand your starting point here to even have this discussion with you.

lifeturnsonadime · 17/10/2022 23:04

ReunitedThorns · 17/10/2022 22:52

Who said anything about wanting males in female spaces?

Stating that I don't want trans men in female only spaces means letting men in?

Again, it's the lack of nuance. "Oh you don't female trans men in female spaces, therefore you want all men in female spaces".

It's very clear that male looking people in women-only spaces should be a no-no. Otherwise (again loophole) natal men will come in and say "oh I'm actually a trans man".

Apologies I have just read back your last few posts and I do understand.

I thought you were making an argument that you are not, in favour of inclusion of men in women's spaces because trans men take testosterone.

Sorry again.

Helleofabore · 21/10/2022 07:34

TheSmallestOneWasMadeline

How timely. Buck Angel post this tweet on the 18/10/22.

twitter.com/buckangel/status/1582475207133913088?s=46&t=PP8HlIJopvaQNJLaLhcTrw

Stop trying to use me as the "gotcha moment" I would NEVER use the women's room at this time in my life, I would rather piss in my pants than be disrespectful to women. Love, Buck

Of course, this brought out the disingenuous tweets from a chorus of transitioned males declaring they would be distressed in the male toilet and totally missed Buck’s point.

Which was pointed out pages back.

Many transitioned females have empathy for other females and understand the power of the changes their taking testosterone makes. They choose to not distress other females and will find another solution.

This empathy is exhibited by transitioned males toward females, but it is rarer. As per the replies of the tweet. Whereas Buck’s reply was all about the needs of other females, the transitioned males was all about them.

It becomes clearer and clearer the more these males communicate. Even when they understand that using the toilet and changing rooms cause distress they choose to continue.

We are constantly told by lobby groups that we should listen when people tell us who they are. And I think it is so true on many unintended levels.

Either way. Using Buck Angel is not a gotcha. But just imagine a world where not one male person over puberty used female single spaces out of respect, so female people would know that instinctively that a transitioned female was female. It might have helped in many cases.

However, there will always be those who will respond to both the male presentation of a female person (even those without testosterone) or a male presenting as a female with the sex cues that cannot be changed or disguised regardless.

It must be a person with a complete lack of empathy who assumes first that any female person, adult or child, who responds with distress at a male presenting female is doing so out of ‘bigotry’ and not from a place of extreme trauma.

Ofcourseshecan · 21/10/2022 11:57

And third spaces are supported by many, many posters on here. But we've been told many, many times by TRA's that third spaces are 'transphobic and othering'.

Yes. Making it perfectly clear that breaking women’s boundaries is not a side-effect but the whole point of demanding access to our single-sex spaces.

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