Another friendship bites the dust

[SapphosRock]

Apparently it has come to some friends' attention that I have radical views and they want nothing more to do with me. I'm now blocked.

This the second time this has happened with people I was close to.

Trying not to mind, but I do mind. We had lots of fun things planned and I'm mourning the loss of the friendships.

What have other people done in this situation?

@Helleofabore okay I'll bite, in what way was pp 'dehuminizing' with their use of 'GC'. Funny how you didn't see fit to explain that part...

I guess she thought it was pretty obvious how.

I work in the public sector and cannot afford to lose my job. Therefore, this forum, home and close personal friendships are really the only place where I have expressed my GC views.

Nonetheless, more and more women are raising these issues in general conversation - everyday people are becoming more concerned about these issues.

I don't know how you even wrote that without some kind of irony fuelled spontaneous combustion @SecretTransTwitterEngineer 😂

Ok come on then @SecretTransTwitterEngineer what would you like to discuss?

Hugs.

I really feel that it's a stage in the cult status.
The cult makes people repeat the lines, love bombs them rewards ever more extreme actions and when thev person is weak they tell them to shed any freinds who refuse to toe the line or provide support .this effectively isolates their victim from everyone who can help them.

My best friend of 15 years who saw me through a relationship with a black man who began his life parading as female by stealing my clothes. She had a son then went through an awful divorce (female) partner , son in his stress at the duel custody and battles decided he was a girl. She would write screeds about how she wanted jkr dead etc and just repeated mantras without actually looking at the evidence.
In the end I told her that I agreed with everything jkr had tweeted, i explained about what happened to Maya and that I felt that she shouldn't make any medical interventions before her son was 16. That I'd be there 100% for them as always had been through her two divorces and painful life.
She said if you agree with jk you are a threat to my "daughter " and cut all ties.

Here's the thing, she betrayed me, she failed to recognise that 15vyears if love and deep friendship gave me the right to be heard, gave my concerns legitimacy and gave my value as her friend weight.
But she chose the cult. She chose to belive lies she didn't even investigate for herself that had been drilled into her by the cult against the well researched concern of her best friend.

She's no friend. She was willing to throw away the best friend she ever had for the sake of being able to make death threats against jkr. That's a fucking disgrace.
Sadly her life has got way worse since she ditched me and all her other gc freinds. She is the most miserablecand isolated she and her son have ever been. And her cult mates egg them on into ever more destructive ways of living.

She made a choice to stop being my friend. And even if she admitted she was wrong and we found mutual ground again, i would never trust her not to throw me to the wolves for the next craze..

So my advice is understand the betrayal involved in your freinds giving zero shits about you for the sake of some dude wanking in a dress in primark changing rooms, some dude telling girls and boys to chat to him and keeping it secret, some dude supplying damaging hormones to children.some dude encouraging girls to fit sexist stereotypes or cut of her tits and go into menopause at 14.
She chose those dudes over you.
Don't look back.

I think there's a lot of cognitive dissonance and peer pressure. I'm on the periphery of an online community which attracts a fair few 'be kind' types, and there's a section where people can post anonymously. Someone asked what it is that JKR has actually said that's so bad - for a direct quotation - and the response was that the anonymous poster had to be a 'transphobic troll' who was deliberately trying to annoy people. Nobody answered the question.

Same community, a poster known for bothering other people and being creepy declared he was non-binary. Someone suggested (again, anonymously) that maybe he might just be saying it to deflect criticism - to get into the group that can't be criticised. They were called a transphobe too. But it's interesting that these posters exist - you'd never know it, from looking at the non-anonymous posts.

If someone doubts the narrative, but thinks that doing so means they're not left-wing, or progressive, or a nice person, then they're not only going to try to suppress those thoughts but to react badly to anyone else around them who expresses them.

You say "PIN number" and "ATM machine", don't you?

£1000 says you’re right there @PurgatoryOfPotholes

Wow those last two posts. Remind me again how you lot are all innocent victim's and the 'tra's' are bullies?

100%.

Also PPs point about GCs deflecting and pivoting away from explaining anything I'm afraid may have been proven correct 😂

It’s our skirts you see @JunebuginDecember theyre just too spinny for our female legs to handle, that’s why we pivot. Now if we were TW, I’m sure our legs would cope just fine and there would be no pivoting at all. They’re used to spinny skirts.

@SapphosRock i seem to remember you live in a very woke area. I live near there and have been told I’m transphobic because I don’t believe trans women are literally women. I was told this by several friends who are lesbians. This was a few years ago and we didn’t discuss it further. My guess is that as they were in long term relationships they hadn’t experienced transbians taking over previously lesbian or women centric spaces. I do wonder if they have changed their minds but I haven’t brought it up.

Found better, more rational people to be friends with.

That would be down to the trans activists' liberal use of rape threats, memes depicting violence, protests hanging the effigies of female politicians, placards calling for the murder of a children's author and so on. That last was held up by a formerly-incarcerated transwoman who'd served a prison sentence for murder and torture, IIRC, so hardly meaningless.

Next to that, me mocking your use of initialisms is rather small beer.

Exhibit A

So, your GC friends aren't dropping you because you have different opinions to them, wheras TRA's are dropping friends when they find out they have GC views?

I'm not sure that's the impression you meant to give, is it?

Where can we find GC feminist groups? I need one...

Spinster.xyz

I'll bite, in what way was pp 'dehuminizing' with their use of 'GC'. Funny how you didn't see fit to explain that part...

Did you miss the part where I explained that if we started a sentence with ‘Transes’ or ‘The transes’, it would and should be deleted?

Not sure how you don’t understand the dehumanising effort of that poster saying ‘GCs’. Or do you use ‘transes’ in your usual speech patterns?

Or do you not understand that activists use dehumanisation to discredit or make it easier to disconnect what people say because they are a hateful group who are disconnected from humanity?

Sigh. Effect not effort.

And who is pivoting from anything, exactly?

The thing is, the genderist position is essentially unarguable. Logic does not apply, it is a belief system purely. So rational debate is not possible and only blocking/ostracising/shouting bigot will do.

This is why GC people often have others treating them like this.

Genetics are far more important than hormones, which change enormously over a female human’s life span.

Our DNA (which includes chromosomes) is present in every single cell of our bodies.
Genome Sequencing is the future of medicine. It’s why many systems (eg NHS vaccines) have started specifically asking for ‘sex recorded at birth’.

We can’t keep using sex and gender as interchangeable words because it will result in subpar outcomes for trans people*

sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2018/treating-men-and-women-differently-sex-differences-in-the-basis-of-disease/

medicine.yale.edu/news-article/the-genetic-origins-of-sex-differences-in-disease/

You can test a discarded cigarette butt and find out if the smoker was male or female, nowt to do with hormones, it’s all DNA.

I’m sorry to hear about your friend, Saph - I don’t know if it helps but I’ve recently had a few people contact me saying that they can see now that what I said to them in 2018 was correct and apologising for telling me to be kinder!

*female hearts really don’t seem to like being transplanted into male bodies - terribly terfy of them:

www.jhltonline.org/article/S1053-2498(18)30869-6/fulltext#relatedArticles

Some people love to be offended. They get a kick out of being ‘outraged’ by other people’s opinions and blocking them. I guess they enjoy the warm glow of moral superiority. It’s the new in thing.