Eddy Izzard uses ladies loo in Sheffield.

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Jean Hatchett article on Eddy Izzard attending a Labour Sheffield fundraiser, uses women's toilets, run up to his election as a candidate, uses women's toilets while there.

thecritic.co.uk/eddie-izzard-uses-the-ladies-loo-in-sheffield/

wow hang on... Izzard isn't a candidate but Jamie Wallis IS an MP and that's all ok, fit to govern?

I would have no problem using the loo whilst she or any other transgender woman was in there. I usually lock the cubicle door!

If you are happy and comfortable to do this, then good for you! No one's stopping you.

Now what shall we do with this huge crowd of females who do have a problem, cannot and will not used mixed sex spaces, and have an equal right as taxpayers to accessible services and spaces? Their boundaries and life experiences don't appear to be as lucky as yours. And that shouldn't really result in exclusion as punishment for this, should it?

As far as we know Wallis is sticking to male names and spaces and is planning on stepping down at the next GE.

I agree.

However, crimes committed by transgender "women", or men who simply say they are a woman, are recorded as female crimes now. How fucking outrageous is that?

It always amazes me, how men like Eddie are so desperate to urinate in public toilets. Most women I know try to avoid them.

Did he really NEED to go, or did he just WANT to walk in the toilets? You know, for shits and giggles?

The Times newspaper published figures which showed that sexual assaults on women and girls were 9 times more likely to happen in mixed-sex facilities.

This is doubtless because male people (however they identify) commit 99% of sexual assaults, and predatory men make the most of opportunities like a mixed-sex changing room to attack.

At the moment the convention that toilets are single sex goes some way to making women and girls safe. Predatory men are hesitant to walk into women's toilets because they know that women would kick up a fuss, and they know that if other men saw them invading women's spaces they might also kick up a fuss.

If men like Izzard make it acceptable for any man to use women's spaces then we lose that convention. It potentially makes women and girls nine times more vulnerable.

No thank you.

All men are born free and equal ! That is: our moral feelings acknowledge it to be just and proper that we respect those liberties in others which we lay claim to for ourselves, and that we permit the free agency of every individual to any extent which violates not the free agency of his fellow creatures.
There is but one honest limit to the rights of a sentient being: it is where they touch the rights of another sentient being. Do we exert our own liberties without injury to others- we exert them justly. Do we exert the at the expense of others - unjustly. And, in thus doing, we step from the sure platform of liberty upon the uncertain threshold of tyranny.
Frances wright 1795-1852 Feminist.

How this resonates with me.

I think this is a huge puzzle to me

In my case, 'passing' as a woman would involve getting all dressed up, wearing makeup, skirts and dresses,, tights and shoes, hair done nicely, handbags and gladrags etc

But in reality Im just a woman living my own life, overweight, have only ever worn trousers since secondary school, flat shoes, no make up, hair just up in a ponytail/bun thing, facial hair due to PCOs and now unfortunate cats bum upper lip. Hairy legs because I dont bother to shave them

Im not particularly interested in 'female' stereotypical things like womens literature, programmes like love island that everyone goes on about at work, never played with girls toys as a child. Dont like pink.

What 'transwoman' will be passing as this sort of woman?

@TortugaRumCakeQueen BUT, what is the answer here? Do all organisations now have to provide a third option for where they may pee, change, compete? let's concentrate on the loo situation for now. If they continued using male public toilets, are they not also open to being abused, humiliated and exploited by the 'macho' men they will encounter?

It's entirely a male problem though, isn't it?

Feminine presenting or transitioning males don't want to use the male toilets, in case other macho males make them feel threatened.

The answer to that, isn't to allow all males to invade the female toilets. Because the upshot of that is :

a) Feminine or transitioning males no longer feel threatened. Tick for the men.

b) Masculine men who don't want to share the toilets with feminine males, get to keep their toilets to themselves. Tick for the men.

c) Men who want to use the female toilets for voyerism or worse have a free pass to do so. Tick for the men.

d) The men now have the choice of two toilet options, making sure that every male, whether feminine, transitioning or masculine, can always choose which toilet makes them comfortable. Tick for the men.

e) Born females have no safe toilets.

It's a male problem. Let the men figure out a solution. Having a free pass in to the Ladies is not an option.

FiFS it's like fucking groundhog day on here.

Did I say it was a female problem to solve?
Did I say I agreed with anyone but biological females should be allowed to use female loos?
Did I say ANY biologcal male should be given a free pass?

Did I sale ANY biological male should have freedom to choose where they pee?

Honestly,, is there nobody fucking open to a discussion without blatantly misinterpreting what my post actually says?

And here's a novel idea that none of you are going like so get your warrior fingers at the ready and shoot me down for something that I AM actually saying rather than how you would like to interpret - surely it's a society situation to come to a resolution?

If they continued using male public toilets, are they not also open to being abused, humiliated and exploited by the 'macho' men they will encounter?

@Trollcity I think it's probably this part of your post that has prompted some of the responses to you, as it reads as though you are condoning trans women using female toilets, for the reason you state above. I can see now, that probably isn't what you meant. Yes, third spaces are what is needed. If men were given carte blanche to use female toilets, I think that trans women would pose much less risk to women, than the predatory males who would exploit the new rules.

@redbuttons ... that should become the Francis Wright.

Does this take us from the sure platform of liberty upon the uncertain threshold of tyranny?

My view is that to be inclusive and non- transphobic it would be great if we could have a campaign encouraging men to be respectful to transwomen who are using biologically determined male toilets and make male toilets nicer with fragranced soap, mirrors and a place to do hair and makeup. However, this is never going to be adopted. I recently visited a school where there were corridors of individual toilets. All with men/women symbols on the doors. I think this is going to be the way forward and the communal style women's and men's toilets will soon be a thing of the past. It will be expensive to implement but is the only solution which will work for everyone.

My DD remarked on gender neutral toilets on a high school visit.

It was obviously bothering her (I hadn't mentioned it). She is quite a private person and shy about her body. She would not be comfortable using them. She would not have used them unless absolutely necessary. She would have held it in all day long just to avoid using them.

Thankfully it's not a school she will go to. But both DH and I checked out the toilets at the school she will go to (definitely some male ones and some female ones).

This, every word 👏👏👏👏

Yes, excellent post.

To be honest, the ability (or not) to do hair and makeup in ambient surroundings is a complete irrelevance.
It's not the primary function of public toilets.

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Agh accidentally posted too soon...
@ImherewithBoudica excellent post, sending a virtual standing ovation

@Johnnysgirl I totally agree, it's not about hair and makeup, but the argument is whether toilets should be separate on the grounds of sex or gender. It is surely easier to adapt toilets to be 'mixed gender' and make this a very clear and inclusive statement - after all, both women and TM may need sanitary products and bins - TW do not. Male toilets are the right of every male, so if a TW feels unhappy using the male toilets, 'she' has the right to change that space to accommodate her needs because it is technically her toilet just as much as any other male.
@Live4weekend I was cross that I only found out through a chance comment by my daughter when she left primary that the toilets were mixed sex. I was relieved that at her high school they are male and female. I thought it was interesting though that this school which I visited had clearly spent a lot of money on individual self contained cubicles. I have no idea how the pupils feel about this arrangement though.

Answer the question!!

Exactly

The transgender penis.

Or simply, ‘the penis’, which has no place being in a women’s toilet.

@Chooksnroses. Your grandchild needs to use the toilets according to his or her sex. It's that simple.

Re the "hatred". Men intruding in to women's single sex spaces displays the hatred they have for us. They hate we have anything of our own. Anything we can keep them out of. They hate that.

PS Hopefully your grandchild will grow out of the phase. A lot of teenage girls in particular are becoming enthralled with the idea of changing their body image. It's social contagion and it's very dangerous. I wish you luck with dealing with your grandchild. It must be heart-breaking.

Again, not virtue signalling...my Grandchild is not grown up yet, and I had these views years ago, when my own children were young. It actually all comes down to having compassion for other people. I do understand how other people feel, and their need to feel safe, and that includes women who later may be afraid to be in a changing area or toilet near my Grandchild, and I have always said that new toilets should be unisex, individual toilets facing outwards on to the street, You can see these in several places here, including some restaurants, my local shopping centre, a seaside carpark, and a car park in a nearby town.
I wonder how women have coped In France. In the 80s I remember having to walk past the urinals in order to reach the cubicles in a mixed toilet.

It actually all comes down to having compassion for other people. I do understand how other people feel, and their need to feel safe, and that includes women who later may be afraid to be in a changing area or toilet near my Grandchild

Then perhaps you could stop attempting to coerce or silence them by discrediting their concerns as "hatred".

There is nothing compassionate in that.

As well as requiring females to have compassion for others - by which you mean in fact TQ+ male people - they also need to have reciprocal compassion for others - by which I mean biologically female people.

Non TQ+ females are not service units. They're not everyone's mummy. They're not on this earth to meet male needs and wishes and ensure male people are happy. They have no more responsibility than TQ+ male people do.

The compassionate action required is to campaign for gender neutral third spaces for those TQ+ people who do not want to use the spaces of their birth sex, and for those TQ+ people to respect and support the need of many females to have single sex spaces, provisions and resources for their own inclusion and access and equality.

The issue we have currently is that this compassion to females is very actively lacking. Any care for the inclusion and access of females is lacking. And females are being told give up your own equality and access out of compassion for male people.

There are very easy answers to this that work for everyone, it just requires the TQ+ politicial lobby (and not TQ+ people as many express concern about this lobby and many in the lobby pushing hardest to destroy female access and equality are not TQ+ themselves) to not try to strip other people of terms, words, identities, access and equality. Inclusion and access means adding, variety, more provision. Not a snatch and grab raid so there's a winner and a loser.