Eddy Izzard uses ladies loo in Sheffield.

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Jean Hatchett article on Eddy Izzard attending a Labour Sheffield fundraiser, uses women's toilets, run up to his election as a candidate, uses women's toilets while there.

thecritic.co.uk/eddie-izzard-uses-the-ladies-loo-in-sheffield/

The arguments about men using women's facilities to assault girls and women are spurious. The people perpetrating these hideous assaults are criminals. Nothing to do with being male or female.

you are on a wind-up, aren't you?

Your grandchild will receive no hate if they respect females and that includes respecting that we need single sex spaces.

Most of us here are mothers and many of us will have daughters. My daughter needs to be safe. Transwoman (including those under 18) put her in danger.

The while thing is pandering to men. Instead of men needing to change their attitudes to having a man with make-up/a dress in their loos, women are told they must change their attitude to have penises in their loos. Why can't men change? Why do we have to fucking do it? Why are we expected to put ourselves at risk but men in dresses are not? Poor, poor little men in dresses. It's all bullshit. If I see a man in my loos/changing rooms I'm going to kick off big time.

Being transgender does not preclude you from being a sexual abuser, but neither does it make you one.

I completely agree. However 99% of sex offenders are male, this does not change if a male does not identify as a man.

In 2019 there were 163 TW in prison, 81 had current or previous convictions for sexual offences. That's 49% of TW in prison are convicted sex offenders. Approx 20% of the male prison population are convicted sex offenders. You could argue that TW are more likely to be sex offenders but that would be stupid. It's much more likely that sex offenders are exploiting self ID and claiming they identify as women. There was a report about "TW" identifying as men again after they were released from prison.

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And yet many have reported many, many posts with "speculation and personal insults" about Meghan Markle, but they never elicit this kind of response, and don't get deleted.

Why is a man who identifies as a man when he is in "girl mode" protected by Mumsnet, but a biracial woman who has been vilified on Mumsnet is not?

Why is a man who identifies as a man when he is in "girl mode" protected by Mumsnet, but a biracial woman who has been vilified on Mumsnet is not?

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My comment above should be "Transwoman (including those under 18) using her spaces puts her in danger."

I was asking people's opinions on what they think the solution would be

As a PP suggested, maybe the answer lies in loos being categorised in the way sports classes are: there’s “Mixed sex” and “Women only”. Anyone can use the mixed sex one but there is a separate facility for women who wish to be separated from the male-bodied regardless of how they identify.

The arguments about men using women's facilities to assault girls and women are spurious. The people perpetrating these hideous assaults are criminals.

They are also almost always men - female sexual offenders are vanishingly rare. We don’t know which men are the offenders so the most straightforward way of dealing with it is to say “These are women-only facilities - no men admitted for any reason whatsoever”.

Yikes, sorry for typo, I meant a man who identifies as a woman when he is in "girl mode"

I have known a couple of transgender women. One of those was someone I met when she was in the middle of transitioning. I was amazed when her sister told me that she was transgender. It would have been very difficult for her to walk into a gents toilet. The other one was someone who needed to be the woman she felt she was, but found it difficult to pass as a woman. She was the victim of assault from both men and women on several occasions. In the end she became a virtual recluse. She was a lovely, gentle person. Again, difficult for her to use public toilets designed for either gender, and her doctor advised her to get a Radar key and used disabled loos.

No, he's a large bloke with a penis who likes to wear make up and wear feminine clothes sometimes - why not? But it doesn't suddenly change him into a woman.

@stealtheatingtunnocks
When has Posie Parker ever tried to stop males getting into toilets ? Do tell. If she has and it's not on camera ,then I would love to know.
She hasn't done anything like that to my knowledge except hassling the American trans woman.
She sells t shirts and stickers and overpriced pens.

I have a transgender Grandchild. I hope she never has to experience the hatred shown on here.

Oh for goodness sake. Women wanting equality of access and rights is not 'hatred'.

If you raise your GC to expect everyone to unconditionally enable them at their own expense, and to gladly discriminate against and exclude many females from having any access to resources at all so that trans males can have their absolute freedom of choice and control over every space? And teach them that anyone who ever says to them 'hang on, other people matter too, let's look at spaces for everyone' is 'hatred'?

They and you are going to be continually disappointed. Because the non trans grandchildren matter equally to your trans one. They are not second class citizens, they were not born to put themselves second. And those with unfortunate challenges of biology, faith, culture, disability, trauma? Are absolutely not going to be told they deserve nothing and should leave public life. What kind of a society do you think that would make? What kind of good feeling do you think is going to exist between the enabled/prioritised grandchildren and the second class ones who can be good girls, and the third class ones who can't use spaces at all because of said males refusing to tolerate any accommodations for females because 'hate'?

None of us can raise our children to expect always to be put first, to never have to face the boundaries of other people's needs, to expect never to have their beliefs and wishes contradicted or limited. They are not the special guests of society, they are part of society, they have equal responsibility to others as others have to them, and teaching them otherwise is not setting them up for a happy or easy life.

Using female pronouns and wearing female clothes doesn’t make you a woman. Don’t you believe in single sex spaces?

It would have been very difficult for her to walk into a gents toilet.

You just claimed a few minutes ago that it doesn't matter if someone is male or female because women can be predators. So why wouldn't a transwoman be safe in the gents? If women are just as likely to attack her?

And if men are much more likely to be predators, as you obviously know they are, why do women have to cede space to then to indulge and validate the lie that a transwoman is no different to a natal female?

Why can't you get it? It's not about trans people. It's about opening women's spaces to any old male who wants in.

Again: why is a designated mixed sex space not enough? Why must it be women's spaces?

How nice for you.

Are you down with men being housed in womens' prisons, & competing in womens' sporting events too?

Nobody hates transgender people on here - why put that about - don't cause distress by saying things that are not true.

I can understand your virtue signaling post a bit more now - you are coming out batting for your grandchild - but this is not the way - to pretend that because your grandchild is not a threat that no transwomen are a threat and no men would use transwomen being allowed into single sex spaces to exploit the loophole.

Imagine saying because someone has a son whom they love then that son should be allowed to go anywhere, do anything despite the infringement on other people? If 30 years ago someone said to you - look to save money the council is making all loos single sex, most men are not a threat so there you go , all ok? Surely you can see there would have been righteous uproar about that for women and girls safety? And if someone said well I am ok with all unisex spaces because I have a son or a grandson and you are all being hateful, people would rightly say, so what!! Can you not see that is exactly what you are doing?? You have a trans-grandchild therefore everyone should shut up, move over, forget their rights, and be quiet or you will say they are being hateful???!

There is no hate on here - please do not make things up - women just want our own spaces and the right to speak as we find. The way to support your grandchild (I am assuming your grandchild is a transwoman) if they don't want to use the gents is to campaign for third spaces or for gents to be redesigned to improved safety, or for men to be better educated about transwomen. Not to tell women they are hateful and give up their loos.

@Chooksnroses please see what the transwomen Miranda Yardley and Fionne Orlander have written about loos on change dot org - search A Plea for Third Spaces for Transmen and Transwomen

BUT, what is the answer here? Do all organisations now have to provide a third option for where they may pee, change, compete? let's concentrate on the loo situation for now. If they continued using male public toilets, are they not also open to being abused, humiliated and exploited by the 'macho' men they will encounter?

It's entirely a male problem though, isn't it?

Feminine presenting or transitioning males don't want to use the male toilets, in case other macho males make them feel threatened.

The answer to that, isn't to allow all males to invade the female toilets. Because the upshot of that is :

a) Feminine or transitioning males no longer feel threatened. Tick for the men.

b) Masculine men who don't want to share the toilets with feminine males, get to keep their toilets to themselves. Tick for the men.

c) Men who want to use the female toilets for voyerism or worse have a free pass to do so. Tick for the men.

d) The men now have the choice of two toilet options, making sure that every male, whether feminine, transitioning or masculine, can always choose which toilet makes them comfortable. Tick for the men.

e) Born females have no safe toilets.

It's a male problem. Let the men figure out a solution. Having a free pass in to the Ladies is not an option.

what is the answer here? Do all organisations now have to provide a third option for where they may pee, change, compete? let's concentrate on the loo situation for now. If they continued using male public toilets, are they not also open to being abused, humiliated and exploited by the 'macho' men they will encounter?

Well yes that's the point isn't it, their right to feel safe away from macho men doesn't trump women's, which is essentially what they are saying.

Surely the obvious solution is to have 3 spaces OR neutral spaces where the toilets, sink etc are all in one fully enclosed secure cubicle and the entrance designed in a way so as not to be "hidden" / pose a danger.

Wonder while Eddie and the ilk aren't campaigning for any of this?

In the case of The Mail, it's a combination of ridiculing Izzard and reminding readers that Labour still isn't fit to govern.

Labour would win a lot more elections if only they had the gumption to tell people like Eddie Izzard to fuck off.

i'd expect the mods on here to be at least accurate in their comments...

Eddie has recently confirmed a desire to stand as Labour’s parliamentary candidate in Sheffield Central which will shortly be vacated by Paul Blomfield who is stepping down. Izzard has not yet been formally selected by Labour

So he isn't a Parliamentary candidate and i sincerely hope he never is.

It would have been very difficult for her to walk into a gents toilet.

But Eddie Izzard (who the thread is about) has run ONE HUNDRED AND ONE (101*) MARATHONS so the notion of it being similarly ‘very difficult’ for Eddie to walk in the gents is absurd.

*quickly totted them up from Wiki (might’ve missed a few).

How exactly does a transwoman 'live like a woman'? It's still just about clothes in my eyes.