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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission

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MajorieEks · 29/09/2022 16:22

“hoisted by their own petard” never seemed more apt, if true

Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission
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ArabellaScott · 05/10/2022 17:14

There does seem to be a general narrative that parents are likely to disapprove, doesn't there? We see that many times - and 'glitter family' offering to step in as replacement family.

Munroe Bergdorf: www.bbc.com/news/uk-48643467.amp

Rachel McKinnon/Veronica Ivy offers to be a 'glitter family':

Jules Gleeson: 'To abolish the family […] means allowing the relations which already blossom between us to become unchecked. Already, we offer each other prolonged bouts of joy, rarefied skills, and kinds of support that we’re uniquely placed to share. We don’t do this in order to create sturdy forms that will outlast generations, but exactly to enjoy moments of community with our fellow exiles.

www.womenarehuman.com/the-family-unit-is-transphobic-and-must-be-abolished-transgender-activist-says/

Jeffrey Marsh offered to be a 'nonbinary mom'.

Based on what evidence do they think that families are going to disapprove or not support?
And what evidence are these organisations/people are in a better position to support children than the children's families?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/10/2022 17:17

Best to leave bundle jibes out in the future to reduce the chance for RMW to appear having decided they've been invited to derail the thread.

This. Please don't give the opportunity.

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2022 17:17

And we have just in Scotland seen the govt's 'experts' suggest that any family who resists a change in 'gender identity' or 'gender presentation' should risk having that right taken away.

tl;dr, they'll have your kids off you if you don't 'affirm'.

NImumconfused · 05/10/2022 17:18

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2022 16:52

Mermaids seem to have decided that parental alienation is actually desirable

This is crucial. I'd actually like to hear Mermaids' argument for it. It seems they are quite clear that they are there to communicate with children/YP bypassing said C/YP's parents/guardians.

Who has decided unilaterally that this is a good idea?

If an organisation is going to take on the job of caring for/advising/supporting/diagnosing/counselling a child, then surely that organisation has to be qualified and trained to the utmost highest standards? And that shoudln't happen in secret, but as part of a formal process?

The Scottish govt, for all its many failings, has recently realised that a child's most stuanch advocate and first teacher is his or her family. They seem to have written this into new education principles, and we are now told this frequently, that schools/the state are there to support, not take over, to educate, not indoctrinate, and that a child/YP's family must be respected above others.

I do wish I could find the relevant bit of bureau-waffle, because it seems like one thing that hasn't yet reached England? Not sure if it's because of our 'Named Person' fiasco or the subsequent UNHRC 'Rights of the Child' fiasco, but it's a good start, anyway.

Judging by the thread about the Scottish government's Conversion Therapy Bill, respect for the family doesn't apply when your child thinks they may be trans.

ImherewithBoudica · 05/10/2022 17:22

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2022 17:14

There does seem to be a general narrative that parents are likely to disapprove, doesn't there? We see that many times - and 'glitter family' offering to step in as replacement family.

Munroe Bergdorf: www.bbc.com/news/uk-48643467.amp

Rachel McKinnon/Veronica Ivy offers to be a 'glitter family':

Jules Gleeson: 'To abolish the family […] means allowing the relations which already blossom between us to become unchecked. Already, we offer each other prolonged bouts of joy, rarefied skills, and kinds of support that we’re uniquely placed to share. We don’t do this in order to create sturdy forms that will outlast generations, but exactly to enjoy moments of community with our fellow exiles.

www.womenarehuman.com/the-family-unit-is-transphobic-and-must-be-abolished-transgender-activist-says/

Jeffrey Marsh offered to be a 'nonbinary mom'.

Based on what evidence do they think that families are going to disapprove or not support?
And what evidence are these organisations/people are in a better position to support children than the children's families?

And why are people in responsible positions of work with children not aware of the most basic safeguarding concepts, that the motives of an adult who wishes to separate a child's trust from their parents and refocus it on themselves should always, always be a source of concern and questioning.

noraclavicle · 05/10/2022 17:32

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/10/2022 16:56

This is social media, not ‘Question Time’. I’m not obliged to provide an answer because you would like to have it. There are many relevant things which could be said, but given the distracting, irrelevant and untrue Bailey bundle bashing, am I likely to think commenting on substantive issues here would be useful?

Priorities, priorities. If you’re neither use nor ornament to the substantive issues of safeguarding and Mermaids lack thereof, then off you trot and leave it to those who actually care about them.

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/10/2022 17:36

nauticant · 05/10/2022 17:05

At least it's now clear that RMW is only on the thread to change the subject to bundles rather than to discuss the actual substance of the thread.

Best to leave bundle jibes out in the future to reduce the chance for RMW to appear having decided they've been invited to derail the thread.

As usual, you can apparently see things in my mind that aren’t there. Amazing really. How to you do it?

noraclavicle · 05/10/2022 17:41

Hoardasurass · 05/10/2022 16:43

Well I've just had a nice chat with the deputy head of my sons school about mermaids and the current shit show going on and how concerned I am about the ongoing use of them by the Scottish government and his school he was completely unaware of the recent developments and is off to read some articles in the Times and telegraph.
The absolute look of horror and oh shit this is really bad on his face was a sight to see especially as he was a very be kind type I think this might have tipped him over to our side 🥳

The magical power of sunlight…

IcakethereforeIam · 05/10/2022 17:44

Much like IW take on JKR, I don't see how the media finally accurately reporting what's going on at Mermaids can be interpreted as bullying. I suppose when the free ride ends it can be a bit jarring.

Chrysanthemum5 · 05/10/2022 17:49

I think we should ask Mumsnet to put a post at the top of FWR that notes we all agree that @RobinMoiraWhite had nothing to do with the bundles in the Bailey case.

Maybe then RMW will stop posting about it because reading RMW's smug, badly written, disingenuous posts is really fucking annoying

And @RobinMoiraWhite we know you didn't make the bundles but given the rubbish you spout on here you can't blame us for assuming you did

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/10/2022 17:54

Judging by the thread about the Scottish government's Conversion Therapy Bill, respect for the family doesn't apply when your child thinks they may be trans.

I was going to say much the same thing. "Parental alienation" is the phrase I was looking for.

Knittingmonster · 05/10/2022 17:55

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/10/2022 17:36

As usual, you can apparently see things in my mind that aren’t there. Amazing really. How to you do it?

We use an electron microscope…

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/10/2022 17:55

Chrysanthemum5 · 05/10/2022 17:49

I think we should ask Mumsnet to put a post at the top of FWR that notes we all agree that @RobinMoiraWhite had nothing to do with the bundles in the Bailey case.

Maybe then RMW will stop posting about it because reading RMW's smug, badly written, disingenuous posts is really fucking annoying

And @RobinMoiraWhite we know you didn't make the bundles but given the rubbish you spout on here you can't blame us for assuming you did

Different views aren’t ‘rubbish’. Don’t we all have a right to a view?

And I mostly seem to be criticised for sticking to simple, factual things like pointing out the bundle nonsense, rather than following down rabbit holes.

TheClogLady · 05/10/2022 17:56

For some reason I’m starting to associate the word ‘bundle’ with a song by a chap named Orville Richard Burrell, a Jamaican reggae singer better known by his stage name…

picklemewalnuts · 05/10/2022 17:58

Oh i love that song, cloglady. It's a guilty pleasure. Like blurred lines...

picklemewalnuts · 05/10/2022 17:59

SigourneyHoward · 05/10/2022 16:02

RMW as well as being on this thread recently decided it was appropriate to join and comment on Sarah's thread. RMW is on opposing counsel team to Sarah. RMW's appearance on the thread led to a burst of gardening for Sarah...

Aren't there rules about that kind of thing? Surely that's beyond inappropriate?

DialSquare · 05/10/2022 17:59

All I can think about now is being at school and hearing a shout of "bundle" so everyone could jump on someone.

YouSirNeighMmmm · 05/10/2022 18:04

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/10/2022 17:55

Different views aren’t ‘rubbish’. Don’t we all have a right to a view?

And I mostly seem to be criticised for sticking to simple, factual things like pointing out the bundle nonsense, rather than following down rabbit holes.

Here's a literal fact for you.

Some "views" are NOT rubbish. For example "sex is set early in foetal development, is in pretty much every cell of the body and can never be changed".

Other views are quite literally rubbish. For example "trans women are women" is literal rubbish, as a woman is an adult human female and you literally have to be an adult human male to be a trans woman.

The only way that it is possible to hold similar views to the repellent, bigoted, child-safeguarding nightmare idiots at stonewall and mermaids is to literally pretend that every view is valid and there is no objective truth.

I am tempted to say that the NHS should be available to all... apart from those who do not believe in objective truth. They should be perfectly happy with a homeopathic remedy and it would save government lots of money.

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 05/10/2022 18:05

rogdmum · 05/10/2022 16:47

I really do love JKR 😂

”India, I swear to God, if you want to start a petition for Mermaids to take me on in court, the first signature will be mine. twitter.com/IndiaWilloughb…”

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1577684068447277059?s=61&t=ETvh42sHW6YnNnnj8Wy7eA

She is coming out all guns blazing on this one.
And that dig at celebrities Emma Watson contacting their PR teams was glorious.

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/10/2022 18:05

TheClogLady · 05/10/2022 17:56

For some reason I’m starting to associate the word ‘bundle’ with a song by a chap named Orville Richard Burrell, a Jamaican reggae singer better known by his stage name…

Personally, I prefer the famous (for those of us old enough) ‘Not the Nine O’Clock News’ piece taking off ‘That’s Life’ including Prince Philip exploding and, in particular, the response when the team contacted the Electricity Board for comment.

I’m sure it will be on You Tube somewhere…

IcakethereforeIam · 05/10/2022 18:10

Oh, Robin are you lonely? Seriously, you must have better things to do than hang around here. I know I do. There's stuff I should be getting on with. Anyway, I'm probably overthinking. I don't wish to insult you, I hope you're okay.

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/10/2022 18:13

picklemewalnuts · 05/10/2022 17:59

Aren't there rules about that kind of thing? Surely that's beyond inappropriate?

I find your comment on the thread, or any aspect of the case. Only the bundle misinformation. And, to be fair, the person posting apologised.

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/10/2022 18:14

IcakethereforeIam · 05/10/2022 18:10

Oh, Robin are you lonely? Seriously, you must have better things to do than hang around here. I know I do. There's stuff I should be getting on with. Anyway, I'm probably overthinking. I don't wish to insult you, I hope you're okay.

I’m fine. I’m sitting in a restaurant waiting for my guest, who is a little delayed, and I have finished my book. But thanks for asking.

IcakethereforeIam · 05/10/2022 18:15

No worries.

Signalbox · 05/10/2022 18:19

Different views aren’t ‘rubbish’. Don’t we all have a right to a view?

Presumably it’s Chrysanthemum5’s view that some views are rubbish. Does she have a right to that view?

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