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Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission

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MajorieEks · 29/09/2022 16:22

“hoisted by their own petard” never seemed more apt, if true

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Helleofabore · 05/10/2022 10:10

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 05/10/2022 09:28

JKR is innocent yet she's been treated as Guilty.

That has always been the Marg paradox.

The hypocrisy of their posts must cause such a dissonance but they still continue.

WendyWagon · 05/10/2022 10:37

@BirdinaHedge social transition was what she chose and then stopped. I never objected to the names, the friends, the political agenda. I refused the medical intervention. I would love to say what happened but I am unwell at the moment and I am vulnerable.

RaininginDarling · 05/10/2022 10:38

Birdsweepsin · 05/10/2022 08:48

I am genuinely worried for the mental health of all the people who thought they were doing the right thing for trans kids.

They were groomed too.

It depends. If your job is safeguarding, I'm afraid my sympathies are very, very limited. There is no excuse for the lack of curiosity. I think most of the professionals who've been happily cheerleading this on, whilst not necessarily evil (though some clearly are) were using this issue to feed their own self righteous egos - with zero concern for the children and young people they were sacrificing along the way.

I do however have a lot of sympathy for many of the parents who were lied to and caught between a rock and a hard place.

ImherewithBoudica · 05/10/2022 10:46

using this issue to feed their own self righteous egos

Yes. There's been a whole lot of this, it's a cheap round in terms of being able to signal virtue without having to be buggered with any real effort or care for anyone in the process.

UnfortunatelyUnfortunate · 05/10/2022 10:48

I am grateful this has all come out before their Autumn residential weekend.

Residentials are twice a year. According to their website they are also attended by staff who would not usually be in client-facing positions (such as Director of Operations), Patrons and "volunteers". I can't see any references to Trustees attending, but would imagine at least some of their new intake of Trustees would have been invited to attend and partake in the Saturday night disco and "late-night glitter tattoo sessions"

Their organisational naivety and lack of safeguarding controls make this a very worrying prospect.

ItsLateHumpty · 05/10/2022 10:51

This thread is well worth a read

twitter.com/FemmeLoves/status/1577428941199257600

@ Annacorp, one of my follows, provided me tonight with some research. This thread is based on her work.

In alphabetical order, no less, I have some questions of the following people, all of whom have endorsed @ Mermaids_Gender, or funded them.

This house of cards has to fall.

it’s a very long list and I think she’s still going!

Is is wrong if I have my fingers crossed that this house of cards is about to be razed to the ground?

BirdinaHedge · 05/10/2022 10:58

Sorry to hear of your difficult situation @WendyWagon Flowers Flowers

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2022 10:58

Jeez, their residentials, I had completely forgotten about those. Who knows who the hell was allowed to attend and what lack of safeguarding there was. Please, please don’t tell me Breslow has been on one.

SoggyFoggyDay · 05/10/2022 11:13

5 days ago, the Head of Amnesty in Scotland retweeted Benjamin Cohen's post denying the CC was investigating Mermaids. The tweet was liked by the Chair of the Scots Human Rights Commission and the Head of Stonewall Scotland.

That list of quote tweets and likes includes many refuting any suggestion that there was any grounds to investigate Mermaids, using BC's denials as proof that the talk of investigation was lies or fantasy...it's full of other organisations, charities, people with letters after their names. So many people in positions of responsibility unable to pause and listen and think. They leap to the defense of the indefensible over and over again.

Safeguarding is based on "thinking the unthinkable" and yet, even when doubt is cast, even when details emerge, they are sticking their fingers in their ears and refusing to even listen.

UnfortunatelyUnfortunate · 05/10/2022 11:19

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2022 10:58

Jeez, their residentials, I had completely forgotten about those. Who knows who the hell was allowed to attend and what lack of safeguarding there was. Please, please don’t tell me Breslow has been on one.

I don't think so.

According to the trustee appointment brief document on the Mermaids website, the deadline for Trustee applications was 20 May 2022. This was the same day Mermaids put out a tweet saying that their first residential of 2022 had kicked off. They later said the next residential was planned for Autumn 2022 and I have seen nothing to indicate it has happened yet.

A narrow escape I think.

BewaretheIckabog · 05/10/2022 11:22

So very proud and thankful to the amazing t**fs of Mumsnet.

The war may not be over but it looks like the days of no debate and affirmation without question are coming to an end.

BellaAmorosa · 05/10/2022 11:36

BirdinaHedge · 29/09/2022 17:35

Fantastic news.

But it's so sad. Some young people are clearly finding the pressure on their identity formation to be painful & sometime unbearable..

Think what Mermaids could have been:
a respectful helpful charity, brokering discussions between gender-questioning young people, their parents, and therapists.
Funding and sponsoring properly peer-reviewed research, investigating the phenomena of social contagion & ROGD,

Subsidising proper talking therapies where co-morbidities could be properly explored (eg autism, depression) and deeper root causes of body dysphoria (eg sexual abuse, bullying) also dealt with

Generally helping young people via the safe & scientifically-recommended "watchful waiting"

Instead, they are extremist activists, masquerading as a charity.

@BirdinaHedge
I'm sure others have said the same - that is the real tragedy. This was Mermaids several years ago. That was the organisation that many of its supporters still thin they are defending.

FlibbertyGiblets · 05/10/2022 11:41

WendyWagon have a non mumsnetty hug.

BellaAmorosa · 05/10/2022 12:31

AutumnCrow · 01/10/2022 16:38

I get the impression that there are a relatively small amount of TRAs doing a disproportionate amount of damage. (Apparently just 87 Twitter accounts, for example, fire off the majority of trolling against Meghan Sussex.)

So there may be even fewer doing the majority of the TRA-ing.

I don't think they like their mothers very much. And yes I do think it is very much a mummy problem, for various psychological reasons. There is a lot of anger going on here against women who are mothers, or otherwise in the motherland/grandmotherland age group.

I think this is interesting - mothers particularly, not women in general? I do think that you are right about a relatively small number of people being responsible, though. Well-placed rather than numerous.

BellaAmorosa · 05/10/2022 12:39

Blister · 01/10/2022 20:44

This is the time to be stunning and brave.

This is the time when it takes sheer courage and guts to say "I was misguided".

This is the time when you have to rise above your fear to say "I didn't understand".

Who will be strong enough to say "we need to rethink what information is being distributed with our support and actually understand what its impact is"?

Who will be first to swallow their pride?

I'm guessing there's going to be doubling down and stating the ideology is right, just the execution was wrong in this instance.
and we'll be on this merry go round for a while. Because deep down, a lot of people realise their parents were not always right and can't deal with it. And it is the easier way out to not take any reputational damage.

This. Exactly.
So many people blindly support "a children's mental health charity" in the same way as they support "the biggest LGBT charity", still believing those organisations are true to their original aims and operating as they used to. They are not actively supporting harm, they think they are supporting good, or at least supporting people whose hearts are in the right place. This is the time to do due diligence and open your eyes, if you are one of those supporters.

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2022 12:51

Regular visitor and activist @RobinMoiraWhite has posted this today, after the revelations about Breslow. So it seems that Robin has opted for the “doubling down” approach, rather than the genuinely brave admission that this one is wrong.

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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 05/10/2022 13:00

Sometimes people shout out the quiet bits really loudly.

Robin seems to be screaming SQUIRREL to no avail!

TheBiologyStupid · 05/10/2022 13:10

FrancescaContini · 05/10/2022 05:57

@WendyWagon thank God you waited.

+100

TheBiologyStupid · 05/10/2022 13:12

FrancescaContini · 05/10/2022 06:53

Thanks @rogdmum I don’t think I can stomach that right now. Until this madness has burned itself out in Scotland - and surely it will as more and more sunlight filters through thanks to posters like you - I will not be going there.

Scotland isn't famous for its sunlight...

OldCrone · 05/10/2022 14:10

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2022 12:51

Regular visitor and activist @RobinMoiraWhite has posted this today, after the revelations about Breslow. So it seems that Robin has opted for the “doubling down” approach, rather than the genuinely brave admission that this one is wrong.

Does RMW really not understand that it is inappropriate for a charity to encourage vulnerable children to keep secrets from their parents, when those children are evidently victims of online grooming and that charity claims to support those vulnerable children?

What on earth does RMW find so confusing about this?

TheClogLady · 05/10/2022 14:17

This professed lack of understanding re: the harms caused to children via keeping secrets is presumably
how Mermaids ended up with a Paedo-adjacent-academic on their board of trustees, but no Paedo-adjacent-academic on Mermaids’ self-published list of trustees?

Birdsweepsin · 05/10/2022 14:36

I suppose I'm thinking about busy professionals - teachers, doctors or whatever - who were continually reassured that this was the right thing to do, and heard all that "its just like racism" or "it's section 28 again" and just went along with it.

Who are now realising that through their inaction, or lack of curiosity, or respect for whoever was spouting the garbage, they have ended up in an utterly awful position, and that very real harm has been done, and they could have stopped it.

OldCrone · 05/10/2022 14:47

Birdsweepsin · 05/10/2022 14:36

I suppose I'm thinking about busy professionals - teachers, doctors or whatever - who were continually reassured that this was the right thing to do, and heard all that "its just like racism" or "it's section 28 again" and just went along with it.

Who are now realising that through their inaction, or lack of curiosity, or respect for whoever was spouting the garbage, they have ended up in an utterly awful position, and that very real harm has been done, and they could have stopped it.

I have very little sympathy for educated professionals who thought it was the right thing to do to encourage children to believe that they could change sex.

People like doctors and teachers should have known better. They knew it was a lie. Why would they take someone else's word that it was the 'right thing to do' to encourage children to believe a lie?

Hoardasurass · 05/10/2022 14:48

And India Willoughby

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