Carly-May Kavanagh

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There are rumours circulating on Twitter that Carly-May Kavanagh (the one who screams at babies: Daily Mail) has, despite her “apology” been suspended from the Labour Party. Presumably such a suspension would have an impact on her job as Lloyd Russell-Moyle‘s head of policy?

Apparently if she is suspended it [probably] won’t be made public. Given the reason for her [potential] suspension; if Labour actually do take action, you’d think they’d want to reassure people that they expect their members to uphold certain standards. I mean, “not screaming abuse at infants” is less upholding a standard than it is failing to trip over pebbles of basic decency…

Clearly one cannot put too much weight into Random Person Says Unevidenced Thing. However, it would be a foolish rumour to start without cause, so I thought it was worth starting a thread here to see if there are developments to follow.

Should Kavanagh face consequences for her behaviour it will be a watershed moment: Labour acknowledging women have rights all their own, including the rights to assemble & to speak on issues of concern to them, such as their need for single sex provisions.

A couple of years ago we thought they'd figured this optics problem out. They were gradually getting better, with the zenith being the smiley girls holding banners at UCL in early 2020, being very well behaved. If they could have kept that up, it would have done them a lot of good.

I think they're getting rather frustrated now, and lashing out.

I don't know CMK personally but we live in the same town and to an extent I can understand why she behaved like that.

Brighton has always had a reputation for being progressive and tolerant with a high proportion of LGBTQ people.

She is probably one of those people who passionately supports gay equality and thinks supporting trans activism is an extension of that. I made that mistake myself - it's easy to do.

She probably genuinely believed that the sweet, marginalised LGBT community could never possibly throw a smoke bomb. It must have been the visiting transphobic fascists.

About 5 years ago things started to change and get really toxic in Brighton but unless she is involved in the community herself she won't have spotted it.

Most lesbians and quite a lot of gay men are utterly fed up with the Brighton TRAs acting like spoilt, entitled brats demanding their every whim is met.

Lots of local women are horrified about the takeover of women's services, the dehumanizing language used to describe us (Brighton is full of bleeders and cervix havers)

CMK just hasn't caught up yet. She thinks she is supporting her sweet MTF transsexual neighbour who fully transitioned in 1997 or the mild mannered trans guy colleague who used to be a lesbian.

When she realises she is supporting a men's rights movement, that the local women's services are alienating women to cater for males with a paraphilia, that will be her wake up call.

If Carly stood up anywhere and calmly or even passionately made a statement or even joined the protest without targeting anyone, without being violent, just wave a placard and shouted in the general direction, then of course they should not be 'cancelled'.

It was the targeting that was the issue. It was the insanity of declaring a baby a fascist and it was how it was all done.

Those are the actions not to be dismissed.

I'm not buying any of those excuses.

I know you're in Brighton and I'm not but not a single word of your apologia explains or justifies an adult woman, educated to tertiary level, screaming abuse at a baby.

I think they're getting rather frustrated now, and lashing out.

They don't realise how much they're being used by TRAs and non-trans leftist men to either legitimise their tactics or do their dirty work. Look at how many women of all ages Fox Fisher showed on that tiktok video.

While dehumanising women on the GC side as "TERFs" and "transphobes".

Saffos I was at University of Sussex in the 90s, Brighton was always a tolerant place.

I don't think that it is now.

It's a hotbed for men's rights activism.

Just look at what they did to Professor Stock. I don't think CMK is stupid enough to not know what she is really supporting.

I do understand what you are trying to say Sapphos, but the issue is the role that Carly has within the electorate.

@SapphosRock do you know what your former TRA circles think about it, or friends you still have in those groups?

Were I currently an employer I would be doing my best to force out anyone who campaigns against women's rights, LGB rights and child safeguarding, just like I'd be doing my best to force out someone who publicly claimed to be racist. I'd be doing this even if they did it politely.

I do not believe misogyny, racism or homophobia are worthy of respect in a democratic society.

My wife was shocked and appalled (by CMK)

As for my other TRA friends, let's just say we've drifted apart so I have no idea what they think.

@SapphosRock said "Brighton has always had a reputation for being progressive and tolerant with a high proportion of LGBTQ people."

Surely it has "always had a reputation for being progressive and tolerant with a high proportion of LGB people." It is only more recently that it been associated with the heterosexuals who identify as TQ+

I agree with this, and I assume it's why the other young woman 'got off lightly' as a few people have pointed out. Her name is out there for the press to get if they want it, but presumably she isn't influencing policy, so she's being ignored.

As an aside, it is so frustrating to see extremists on the trans side utterly unable or unwilling to articulate what gender critical arguments actually are. They seem utterly dependent on not understanding. I'm confident I could explain the TRA pov in a way that I think they would agree with, but I so rarely see the same desire to comprehend on the other side.

When she realises she is supporting a men's rights movement, that the local women's services are alienating women to cater for males with a paraphilia, that will be her wake up call.
I think you are massively projecting. It's more than possible that she will never accept this and if/ when she is fully informed (can't believe that she isn't already TBH) she just won't care.

Ffs *very much NOT wedded to reality.

Note to self, coffee first, post later

My wife was shocked and appalled (by CMK)

As for my other TRA friends, let's just say we've drifted apart so I have no idea what they think.

Thank you. Sounds awkward. It's not a particularly large town, is it?

Who is that quote from?

Its bang on the money.

She could probably walk into a job with Stonewall, Mermaids or similar tomorrow.

Yes, I imagine so Empress.

Aldous Huxley

Sapphos I've been following you for a while and have seen how you've changed your mind about things over the last few years.

But it was the baby who was the sacrificial lamb here. Not Carly, she's a grown woman who writes political policy and has access to all the information that everyone else does. Personally I think she's a nasty piece of work, anyone screaming abuse at a baby is a psychopath imho.

She probably genuinely believed that the sweet, marginalised LGBT community could never possibly throw a smoke bomb. It must have been the visiting transphobic fascists.

She's a TRA, she's not blind.

It wasn't women who were masked up, wearing black, shouting abuse. It wasn't the gender critical side feverishly screaming 'scum'.

And the thing is, it never is.

She has zero evidence of these women being abusive, or fascist. And overwhelming evidence of the tactics of TRAs.

We saw social media posts telling trans activists to bring as much noise making stuff as they could, in order to drown out everything the women were saying.

You'd have to be a fucking idiot not to realise which is the fascist technique here.

As someone pointed out above, there is a certain type of person who will leap at the chance to be abusive, as long as they are told they are doing it in the name of righteousness.

Women promoting the safeguarding of children and the protection and dignity of their sex are right. You don't see them using abuse to articulate it.

Thanks