Carly-May Kavanagh

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There are rumours circulating on Twitter that Carly-May Kavanagh (the one who screams at babies: Daily Mail) has, despite her “apology” been suspended from the Labour Party. Presumably such a suspension would have an impact on her job as Lloyd Russell-Moyle‘s head of policy?

Apparently if she is suspended it [probably] won’t be made public. Given the reason for her [potential] suspension; if Labour actually do take action, you’d think they’d want to reassure people that they expect their members to uphold certain standards. I mean, “not screaming abuse at infants” is less upholding a standard than it is failing to trip over pebbles of basic decency…

Clearly one cannot put too much weight into Random Person Says Unevidenced Thing. However, it would be a foolish rumour to start without cause, so I thought it was worth starting a thread here to see if there are developments to follow.

Should Kavanagh face consequences for her behaviour it will be a watershed moment: Labour acknowledging women have rights all their own, including the rights to assemble & to speak on issues of concern to them, such as their need for single sex provisions.

I might have had some sympathy if she had shown regret for her actions being abusive and vile, rather than regret they brought negative attention to the TRA cause. She showed her true colours with that “apology”.

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When I look at these people shouting at parents holding babies, and throwing glitter in the hair of Black women, or dressing head-to-toe in black and throwing smoke bombs at peaceful demonstrations, I do wonder if any of their allies ever think: "Hmm. I wonder if this is really the progressive cause I've been told it is"?

These people act like fascists, while screaming "fascist" at a people gathered peacefully.

She’s also bullied people online for years, she is not some innocent little girl swept up in the crowd mentality. She’s a nasty piece of work who should be facing the consequences of her actions.

but you can’t get into spats with actual fascists can you? You might get hurt

That's it, isn't it. Bullies don't pick on the person who might hit them back, they pick on the person who is smaller, or more vulnerable, or is not in a position to get into an altercation because they have vulnerable charges with them.

They wouldn't dare to pick on the bigger, angry actual fascist - they might actually be challenged or smacked in the teeth.

I agree. Some of the commentators on Twitter seemed to be taking glee in being as unpleasant as possible about appearances.

I sympathize to a small extent because I can't believe a woman who is supposed to be an intelligent and professional adult can behave like that without having suffered some serious mental derangement. To be so venemous and out of control when engaging with an adult who stood there calmly holding a baby is not normal behaviour.

If she'd been confronting a man wearing black marigolds and a balaclava who had obviously no qualms about physically pushing, barging and lashing out at women, then that might justify an angrier, less controlled confrontation. But she behaved like that without that type of provocation. And who was her side-kick? They've got off lightly.

It makes me laugh that Fox Fisher spoke of ugliness and the 'beady' eyes of Terfs. I'd certainly look Fox Fisher in the eye but only to get their attention, make contact and try and have a damn conversation about how we can stop this insanity. And the first step is to stop with this ridiculous, false and dangerous demonisation of women who are genuinely fearful and angry about the breaking down of safeguarding and women and girls'
sex-based protections. Do they never step out of their echo chamber? Because I do all the time. I do my research, watch the videos, follow their accounts desperately trying to understand how they fail to see the reality of the situation. I sympathise with the feelings of gender dysphoria, the self-loathing and constant self-awareness of their bodies but I don't sympathise with the lack of critical thinking because that's a skill anyone can develop.

Nicely said, ClogLady. I'm with you on your point about cancel culture.

A video of an idiotic TRA yelling at a baby and calling it a fascist is exactly the outcome PP would have hoped for and Carly May Kavanagh has played right into her hands. She's a complete idiot but I hope she's okay.

I don't hope she is 'okay'

I hope she is cringing and fretting and worrying and, as a result of going through these human emotions, rejecting on her actions, on being brainwashed and on being a decent citizen. Fuck her.

Reflecting on her actions,

And of course the original Twitter thread had repugnant, thick, misogynist twats all over it. This is the most frustrating aspect of it. We're sandwiched between women who think we're religious, prudish, right-wing fascists and the pathetic bunch of actual right-wing, (and left-wing) incels and macho posturing misogynists out there. It's a fantastic place to be and frustrates me beyond measure. Because then we are allegedly 'allying' with these pricks.

I'm just as appalled by the TRA physically assaulting women as I am by the angry, union-jack tattooed sexist thug 'protecting his woman' thanks very much.

Fox Fisher tiktok about the event. You don't need the app to play it.

A masterclass in gaslighting and DARVO.

https://www.tiktok.com/@thefoxfisherr*/video/7145448012397939974?t=8VqahL9oRMc&&_r=1

Nonsense. She's a grown woman who (presumably) can read. She's chosen to only see one side.

Hope she goes. Yelling obscenities in a child's face while in a taxpayer-funded job in public policy. Even the "apology" is aimed squarely at the trans folk! Fuck that.

And Fox Fisher confirms that the TRA view that it's transphobic to say that exclusive same biological sex attraction is valid is not a myth, as some posters have claimed on this board.

She will have truly believed she was dealing with a group of fascists at the weekend so she must now be feeling very lonely and confused

She's an educated woman with a responsible job. She won't truly have believed that, and even if she did, she wilfully chose to blindly do so against all easily available evidence to the contrary.
She doesn't deserve any sympathy. She didn't even apologise

I am surprised, actually. I had thought Labour seemed to be completely fine with extremist behaviour, dehumanisation and attacks on people they deem to be 'on the wrong side of history'. I'm not being facetious. Angela Raynor can call Tories 'scum' then that is symptomatic of a deep problem, imo.

I think Labour have built their party identity on the self justification fallacy and 'othering' people who aren't 'with' them. I don't actually know where they'd be without it.

I don't like it when individuals lose work for doing something that is not illegal in their own time.

But I don't think this is the case here. Hasn't she just demonstrated that she is unable to do her job? How can an advisor of a major political party, one that hopes to be in government, shout words like facist to people who are just using their right to speak?

Why would the labour party want to be associated with that person?

There’s no excuse for it. I had my moment about six years ago when I realised that we weren’t talking about Hayley Cropper types. There’s no way these activists, who are surrounded by shouty blue haired men who say they are women based on nothing more than an idea in their head, no surgery, no hormones, claiming to be lesbians, there’s no way they really believe what they are saying.

The only reason they have is that they like being part of a tribe. If it wasn’t this they’d be tree huggers or stapling themselves to motorways.

I am assuming CMK will be more affected by her community's reactions than anything else. It's a harsh world when they step out of line.

A masterclass in gaslighting and DARVO.

Honestly they don’t seem that good at it! The messages from TERFs that Fox shared were transparently not abusive. Fox was extremely defensive about truthful accounts of the event being “twisted.” I assume their audience is credulous teenagers but you’d have to be very credulous to watch that and not wonder, even slightly, about the other side of the story. But then perhaps their audience really is that stupid. Or that young.

I had a bit of a giggle when Fox said about the Pampers dressing up in black “to make themselves seem tough, because in real life they’re…” and then trailed off.

Yes to be fair if it was a masterclass they'd be better at it. More of a demonstration of how they operate.

I don't like it when individuals lose work for doing something that is not illegal in their own time.

I would say that her behaviour was verging on and possibly was illegal. There's a catch all crime of breach of the peace (certainly in Scotland). Her behaviour was threatening and intimidating- it went far beyond just expressing her views.

That's aside from the valid points you make.

Do you know Carly May Sapphos?