Owen Jones's video

[SecretTransTwitterEngineer]

Owen Jones posted a response to a person on Twitter who had suggested that he needed to have engaged in a relationship with a trans man to be supportive of trans issues, but turned into a commentary about anti-trans activism generally.

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As a straight trans woman in the UK who knows dozens of gay trans men and women, it does feel that 'gender critical' activists are constantly attempting to push the idea that gay trans ppl are attempting to force non-trans gay women and men. This appears to be divorced from reality - in fact I see far more (mostly straight) 'gender critical' activists attempting to shame non-trans gay women and men for being attracted (or being potentially attracted to) trans ppl.

I would ask said activists to stop attempting to 'de-gay' gay women and men like this - it's utterly homophobic and it's wrong.

Yes, that would be the implication…

I just saw the 'protect trans lesbians' placard on Twitter. Protect from what exactly?

Forcible colonization of their language?
Loss of spaces and representation as they are colonized?
Exclusion from Pride?
Harassment to date and sleep with people not within their sexual orientation but who feel entitled to sex from them?
Shaming to reframe their enjoyment of sex as a social duty to provide to those seen more worthy with no expectation themselves of enjoyment or needs met?
Yet more of the millennia old shit about a woman who says no to sex on command is either evil or sick, and needs sorting out by the insertion of a dick in an orifice?

No, that would be homosexual females.

Largely from the political ideology represented on the placards.

Other than 'protect us from homosexual people refusing to enable us and explaining why in increasingly small and terse words' I honestly have no clue what that is supposed to mean.

Fucking nonsense on stilts. Yet again.
When is this fucking going to stop?!
I won't be wasting my precious brain
(or what's left of it in the process of TRA
bamboozling) trying to make ANY sense of it.
We're really well past that point, which means
there is no point.
Playing the TRA game of shape-shifting non-definitions randomly embedded in an ideology melting away in front of our eyes - I'm not doing that for one more second.
It only encourages the morons.
It's Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds chasing White Rabbits on A Helter Skelter powered by The Ninja Zombies.
With lots of stage props & naff make-up.

If I were a little OJ's mum I would lock him up
in a fucking cupboard with Barby & Ken dolls
plus a pair of scissors.
No Twitter or any other media shit.
Until further notice.
Let him play with some physical realities,
for a change. Harmless educational fun.
He's still got a pair of hands on him, hasn't he?
Let him get crafty and creative.
Reflect a bit, perhaps.
See what happens.

There. I said it.
Arrest me now.
Christ, I'm so tired.

Yes sorry!

Well I waited until late afternoon and several coffees in the hope that some clever mners would be able to translate for me. It seems we have a new problem as nobody understands the translobby's new phrase. Straight transwoman.

Perhaps the resident protrans posters can help. They do seem to be suspiciously missing. Although to be fair they are probably very busy screenshotting KF.

Straight transwoman.

To me the trans is immaterial- means nothing. It is a straight man trying to look like a woman. Still attracted to women.

He could be a gay transwoman - gay man trying to look like a woman. Fancies men.

The trans has no bearing on sexuality- its just tweaking physical appearance to try and look like another gender.

Without shared meaning there's no possible communication.

Find your own words and celebrate them - homosexual people won't rush to try and take them off you, or tell you you're horrible for saying them, or try to change the definitions in their own favour. Colonialism isn't a nice thing. In the same way women aren't messing with the terms TW, TM, NB.

Leave homosexual people to be homosexual if they want to be, and respect it and its boundaries the same way you respect TQ+ people. End of problem.

I think the only way I can make sense of @SecretTransTwitterEngineer 's post is if I assume that TWAW and TMAM. Without this distortion of reality, the OP doesn't make sense.

I just saw the 'protect trans lesbians' placard on Twitter. Protect from what exactly?

As in protect pandas or the green belt?

Loses it's impact when translated into English - 'protect hetrosexual men'. It's hard to convince anyone that straight men are a dying breed.

His Mum said on Twitter that it's not true to say that lesbians are only attracted to female bodies because some of them use dildos, so she talks as much shit as him.

Are posters really, genuinely confused by what a TRA-oriented person means by "straight trans woman"?

Under gender ideologists' rules (the ones they claim publicly I mean, not the ones they actually live by, which as LOJ explains can be quite different):

1. TWAW
2. Sexuality is based on mental gender id not physical sex

So a straight trans woman is a straight woman ie she fancies men. (Which can include trans men, but let's be honest, probably doesn't, as we see is allowed by the LOJ Exception aka Do As I Say Not As I Do.)

Now, I don't agree with their ideology, in fact I think it's logically and morally incoherent, but that doesn't mean I don't understand their language. In fact it's because I understand it, and see that even on its own terms it fails, that I am so confident in rejecting it.

But trans can mean many things other than "the opposite sex".

I realise that is usually what is meant but it could mean a cross-dressing woman, for example.

ThickCutSteakChips · Today 18:13

Good lord.
Thanks anyway.
And big cheerio, just in case you feel tired too. 😉

And so his mummy dearest is on Twitter.
Of course, she is. Stupid me.
How fucking progressive of her.
With the dildo's range of applications exegesis.
Beautiful "family dynamic", indeed.
We're truly blessed to have them where they are
to illuminate our tiny, wicked, obstinate minds.
Dildos to the rescue then.

In fact all three words in the phrase straight transwoman have highly variable meanings dependent on all sorts of things but specific to the exact personal beliefs of the person stating it.

Its like trying to listen to someone who wants to lecture you about being saved, but they have not explained if they are an evangelical Christian or a lifeguard. And life is too short and there is too much else to deal with without having to semantically unpack and work out what someone is individually thinking and believing and so be able to figure out enough of their personal meaning to be able to have a conversation with them. Particularly when it's requiring a whole lot of understanding in order to be really exceptionally rude to homosexual people.

It’s more no longer being willing to even entertain the effort required to mentally translate into normal
English.

Needs separate thread maybe?

TheClogLady
"It’s more no longer being willing to even entertain the effort required to mentally translate into normal
English."

Precisely that.
Thank you.👏

Someone popped on here a few weeks back and said she knew/had known OJ's mum. And OJ's mum is a thousand times worse than him. 😬

O P appears to have done a "mic plop".

Who knows what OP means by claiming to a a 'straight trans woman'. Could be a bisexual man, could be a gay man, could be a straight man.

For some reason he's using language to obscure his sexuality. That's up to him, I have no interest in his sexuality. But it's fucking strange to start a thread berating a group about their homophobia, when its him who is making it impossible for everyone, included lesbians, to state their sexuality clearly when they need to.

OP what do you mean by non-trans gay? I found your OP to be really hard to read and I'm worried that I've not really understood or there's a new term that I'm unfamiliar with.

Is it generally accepted to be accurate that a trans woman who is attracted to women can be described as a lesbian?

Is it the case that sexuality is about gender and not sex?

Help me out here.

😁

It is not acceptable nor is it correct to describe a TW as a lesbian.

Lesbians are same sex attracted adult human females.

The only part of this thread I understand is that picture. Thanks Screaming.

Name one high profile gay man who's dated a transwoman. I'll wait.