As a straight trans woman in the UK who knows dozens of gay trans men and women, it does feel that 'gender critical' activists are constantly attempting to push the idea that gay trans ppl are attempting to force non-trans gay women and men. This appears to be divorced from reality - in fact I see far more (mostly straight) 'gender critical' activists attempting to shame non-trans gay women and men for being attracted (or being potentially attracted to) trans ppl.
OP knows ‘ dozens of gay trans men and women ‘. So dozens of females? or dozens of people of both sexes who consider themselves gay?
Is OP saying that because none of the dozens of trans people they know are the males or females who are actually being or merely feeling coerced into unwanted sex by trans people, that in OP’s mind, it is not happening?
That the testimonies of those saying they have experienced it, often under risk of being abused for saying it, are to be ignored because OP believes that people who believe sex is immutable have shamed others for being attracted to a trans person?
I am stripping this down to the very essence of what I believe that paragraph says.
We have a person who listens to their mates, who are trans, about how they as people who have labelled themselves as ‘gay*’ have not experienced (other) trans people coercing, or attempting to coerce, them into unwanted sex acts believes that is the reality. And those people stating that it is happening and stating their experience of it, are of no consequence.
That is how I have read that paragraph.
And there is that oh-so casual statement that the only people who are saying this happens are ONLY ‘gender critical’ people. So, no person who is a trans-ally is saying this… or is OP declaring that any trans-ally who makes this claim is ‘gender critical’? Because no ally, would say it? Because according to Jones, an ally can think it, but not say it.
And OP is here to what, reinforce that any person who wants to support trans people, must not tell anyone their experience.
And that is not part of the coercion as well?
Let’s not forget part of this coercive effort OP is seeking to deny is the dating apps that terminate membership of females who state their sexual boundaries are only other females. So, is OP saying that is not happening either?
That females have to deal with unwanted attention because some people will not accept those female’s sexual boundaries? And that this is again minimised by OP’s attempt to declare trans people most marginalised in this instance?
So according to a group of trans people, there is no coercion by trans people on others to accept unwanted sexual attention or unwanted sexual acts. And any trans ally who states it has happened must be ‘gender critical’ (who incidentally OP regards as mainly straight because no lesbians seem to be talking about this….)
I mean, really OP, what was the purpose of your word salad post? And I think ‘divorced from reality’ is projection.
(*because the word lesbian is not used in that paragraph at all by the way….
is this another sign of male socialisation, or just more confusion in that ‘gay’ has further replaced lesbian in current thinking? )