Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2

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The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (?? September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (?? September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - Not yet available
Dr Belinda Bell: Not yet available
Beverley Jackson: Not yet available
Kate Harris: Not yet available
Eileen Gallagher: Not yet available

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

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MG ; accusing Mermaids of transing away the gay
BJ:everyone involved in admin of pbs is unfortunately, and I'm sure unintentionally, involved in what I believe will prove to be a huge medical scandal.

BJ: we support gnc children. What we don't support is medicalising them. They don't need to be and shouldn't be medicalised.

We support gender non confirming children. The point is gnc children should not be medicalised BJ

Xpost @Mmmnotsure

We shouldn't forget the case, some years ago now, when Mermaids was banned from contact with a young boy and his mother due to them supporting the mother in transing the boy, who was then sent to live with his father.

I think the judge in the case was not impressed with Mermaids.

Bears saying twice Hoof :)

Should say PBs often said to be reversible , which is contested. Many go on to x-sex hormones etc
MG: BB would plainly disagree with you and everyone agrees further research needs to be done.
BJ: Cass report makes clear

The hypocrisy and contradiction again very clear. BB said she was not a medical expert, that MM do not advise on medical matters, so why is the lawyer quoting anything she said?

BJ backing up her tweets by saying the allegations of homophobia were backed up in cass report

Are they not Malcolm Clark's tweets?

Yes because she has actually read and understands the Cass report. This lawyer is earning his money as he has his work cut out, that's for sure.

Sorry, yes, autocorrect changed her to the.
thanks for picking that up. Don’t want to mislead anyone!

MG: points to offensive tweets/etc
BJ: v small org. Needed to make voice heard. All these were available to the CC before they agreed to our registration.

Slightly fangirling here seeing Julie Bindel’s name on the same list as mine 😁

BJ talking about the opene ended + on the alphabet soup LGBTQI

BJ back on form on the "bestiality tweet" which in context was objecting to an academic paper promoting that bestiality should be incorporated into LGBTQI+.

Gloves are off. MG robustly disagrees with BJ's explanation of the bestiality tweet. You meant it to be scaremongering, etc

BJ is saying that there is a danger with an undefined plus

BJ wants to reclaim lgb movement from the pervs

Paraphrasing obvs

I'm glad she keeps challenging "gender inclusive".

BJ Problem with the + is that anything can be inc. Eg paedophilia has been suggested as well. Need to define the +. We are just for LGB - the various attempts to bring other things in under the + brings LGB movement into disrepute.

Break till 12pm

Bev is astonishingly composed and clear. What a total heroine.

Bev Not-my-first-rodeo Jackson. I know intellectually what I'm talking about, I know from first-hand experience what I'm talking about, I listen to people, and oh, I have actually Read The Cass Review.

This case , cannot found to be in favour of Mermaids surely .
look at the competency of the different witnesses for one thing.
unless mermaids have kept back some earth shattering document which will prove lgb Alliance was set up with the main priority of eradicating mermaids specifically then surely they don’t have a case.
I just don’t know how they can keep questioning BJ when they must surely know that the nonsense of the mythical gender identity is being exposed, question by question.