Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2

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The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (?? September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (?? September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - Not yet available
Dr Belinda Bell: Not yet available
Beverley Jackson: Not yet available
Kate Harris: Not yet available
Eileen Gallagher: Not yet available

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

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I thought the same. I think she’s realised, through giving this evidence, there is something seriously amiss with Mermaids position.

The scales are falling in real time on camera. I’m not surprised she’s emotional.

She would class them as lesbians.

I think she's not paying any regards to a consistent definition. We know that these FTMs are mostly lesbians, and she calls them lesbians, not "straight men", and the 9% of "straight" people that she keeps mentioning probably doesn't include these young women or surely it would be much higher.

If you're wondering about these articles, in BB's witness statement there are 26 pages of statement and nearly 200 pages of exhibits:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Belinda-Bell-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf

The drag queen bondage calendar, just in case anyone has forgotten it. All proceeds to Mermaids.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6577301/Drag-queens-pose-glamorous-calendar.html

I wonder why BB did not update her witness statement

Negative reactions are probably just possible headaches.

Sheesh

this woman makes no sense I can’t follow at all

BB: Puberty blocking medication has to be used before puberty.

I think that's flat out wrong.

Surely she’s on dangerous ground now given Susies trip to Thailand

BB "PB are widely, safely and uncontroversially used on transchildren worldwide"

Susie Green knows that, that's why she took her kid to Thailand on his 16th birthday...🤨

Keira Bell wasn't put on them before puberty. The drugs also suppress sex hormones for both sexes post puberty which is why they are also used for endemetriosis, IVF, prostate cancer.

KM: You refer to a report that indicates nothing to worry about re PBs, para 38 but a study by Tavistock records 43/44 prescribed PBs went on to x-sex hormones yes?
BB:Yes so clinicians right re PBs

Oh .. my... God...

Susie Green knows took her kid to Thailand before the child's 16th birthday.

Keira Bell wasn't put on them before puberty.

This is one of the things that's making me really angry. She'll come out with all kinds of shit if it suits where her argument is at any particular moment.

Susie Green's TED talk:

www.ted.com/talks/susie_green_transgender_a_mother_s_story?language=en

KM: one of your reasons to stop LGBA as a charity is because Mermaids may get less money
BB: yes, basically. That could happen

Bingo! They don't want any competition. BB can't believe why any organisation would want to donate or have training from LGBA, but it's a danger...

did her child undergo SRS on their 16th birthday?

when you think about what SRS really means, it’s like something out of a horror story

Sorry Chilling. Can you explain please?

KM: one of your reasons to stop LGBA as a charity is because Mermaids may get less money
BB: yes, basically. That could happen

And there we have it.
This was never about the children gay trans or otherwise it was about lining their pockets!

Yes, BernardBlacksWineIcelolly and I suspect it was presented as some kind of birthday present.

Competition across the charity sector for grant funding is common.

But as Mermaids and LGBA support totally different audiences, this is not a convincing argument.

That’s fucking dark

That's exactly what it was presented as nauticant.