Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2

[nauticant]

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (?? September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (?? September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - Not yet available
Dr Belinda Bell: Not yet available
Beverley Jackson: Not yet available
Kate Harris: Not yet available
Eileen Gallagher: Not yet available

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

(Header format follows the gold standard established by @ickky)

What's the comment about the bus referring to?

The LGBA had a bus advert that said 'gay teens aren't sick' ... will see if I can find a pic.

KM is competently laying out the argument that the concerns that led to the formulation of LGBA are legitimate.

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=488613142656686

BB: Locked-in isn't in a thing because one doesn't have to stay in the pathway.

I don’t really understand BB’s objection to the bus. Can anyone explain?

I've had a 2-minute read of the conclusions and it would seem that the mean age of transition was 8 and the survey covered a period of 5 years, by which time the mean age would presumably be 13 — so still very young to be changing their minds and still almost certainly with no mature understanding of what is being done to their bodies. Perhaps at 18, or 23, the results will look very different.

Thank you @ImNotAnExpert

BB says that to suggest that gay children may be being put onto the wrong pathway and being locked into being trans (so gay conversion) is deeply offensive.

BB on the bus: 'Deeply problematic. Utterly inappropriate way of having a civilised debate and reductionist. Only 9% of t people are straight.'

In reality? Bad taste I think

she seems very ‘naice’

I am guessing she doesn't like the word 'gay' being used so bluntly.

Cross posted Nauticant. You put it better than I did.

I don’t really understand BB’s objection to the bus. Can anyone explain?

Maybe it's the same as Margaret Thatcher's?

(Although to be fair: fullfact.org/news/margaret-thatcher-bus/)

It would be interesting to see the stats on how many were referred to Gids and how many did not continue with the referrals. As there is such a long wait, I would imagine some change their minds in the interim.

But what about all the older married men?

Bad taste like the Mermaids bondage calendar?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3478720-Drag-queens-pose-in-bond-age-gear-for-calendar-in-aid-of-Mermaids?flipped=1&page=1

She would class them as lesbians.

That would also appear to be a lie as I recall TulipR said he felt he had to go through with the operation after deferring a number of times as he was worried they would not offer him any further support.

Save that they are not actually gay, they require homosexual people to change orientation to suit them, and then call it all gay.

It's complicated. (I'm not an expert.) I'm also a lesbian, so should be approached only with qualified medical professionals and possibly a security cordon.

Gotcha. Thanks!

Ereshkigal 😮 I had forgotten all about that calendar!

BB cheerleading for giving cross sex hormones to children

the more the merrier as far as she’s concerned

I mean there’s no downside amirite?

BB is so brittle

clo to tears if I’m any judge

She's getting mightily snippy right now...

Perhaps if she speaks really fast people won't hear what she is saying?

BB - "I don't know what the negative reactions are (to kids being medically transed) - I assume they are just headaches".

Mermaids are staying willfully in the dark and don't even look at anything negative. How can they do this?