How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?

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Very pleased to see this statement, and the BBC reporting it, but is it going to make a difference?

Are you seriously comparing the cost of a few lanyards (or any of the other things you mention) with the massive resources required to investigate high volume crime and fund a functional police service? Ludicrous.

The answer to that is a resounding yes . It absolutely boils my piss. But in my force we've had no stonewall training or rainbows on cars . Like I said - E have bugger all. The heating at my last station didn't work and now the building I'm in has 4 boilers - 3 of which are condemned. You stir your tea with a knife because there's never a teaspoon, I even took my hoover in to do the cars out at my last station because they were skips on wheels . Filthy . So I do wonder where the hell funding for rainbow cars is coming from .

Training has always been a bugbear of mine - we used to do a training day every 10 weeks. Always completely irrelevant to the job while a new system would be being rolled out that you have to teach yourself or do an online half hour training video session usually at 3 am when your brain doesn't function and you can't remember by the time the system goes live .

As many I my colleagues say

Job is FUBAR .
Fucked up beyond all recognition.

It would be cheaper to get rid of one of your police officers who spends the day on a domestic assault allegation. And pay two admin assistants. The police officers will be freed up to do work out on the streets and the admin officers are tied to the office. And two of them should be able to take on the workload of several officers.

I worked for an organisation that works in tangent with the police and we introduced this. Initially I was resistant but it worked so well. And it left me so much more time to do the work people expected me to be doing.

And of course you know your case. I had to pilot my cases from investigation, interviews, expert witnesses, all the way through solicitors offices and to (several!) court appearances. The admin staff get their info from you. I knew everything about it. It seems so backwards to me that in this day and age, you're plodding through your own typing!

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One thing I have learned very begrudgingly is that there appears to be absolutely no common sense approach to ANYTHING . I would love to have someone to handover my paperwork to ! But I did get very invested in my cases and sometimes I felt that if id handed some of my jobs over to someone else I wouldn't have got the results I did . That's maybe why I burned out . I was working my days off on one case - no one else would have done that - I did it because I had a rapport with that victim, an admin person wouldn't have put the same work into it that I did. They wouldn't have seen the devastation that it had caused the victim - it would have been a job done my numbers where I actually went out of my way to ensure justice was done . Maybe that's wrong . I don't know anymore .

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Admin staff.......?
No - we do it all on our own.
And we have to sit and trawl through hours of CCTV - and then sit through it all again to download it to a file - and then sit through it all again to redact it all. And do the same with all the body worn videos, all the un-used material - the list go's on - and we have to find some time to do it whilst trying to get to other emergencies coming in.

We don't have any stonewall training or training on anything really - just a weekly email sent with an attached 100 page document of the current legal changes which we have to try and find time to read & remember.

No rainbow cars - in fact not many cars or vans left now for us. The ones which are left have done 150,000+ miles and keeping breaking down

We have to borrow/steal cars off other departments to get to jobs - and once your at a job, you're pretty much written off for the rest of the shift so can't get to anything else coming in; as safeguarding and risk assessments is the key.

This where the real drain on resources is and why sometimes we there is no one available.

@Janesmom the police officers posting here are telling us they can’t even afford anti freeze for their cars so yes I’d say the cost of some rainbow lanyards woukd cover some anti freeze

but you know that’s not the issue here

I’m very interested to know which force it is that’s not signed up to stonewall

That would mean the admin assistants would need to go to the original job. Even if they take over from the attending police officer - the officer would still need to provide their statements, safeguarding risk assessments and do all the body worn video stuff. And if the suspect is still 'at large' you can't leave admin staff at the scene.

If they hand it over to the admin staff, you have the issue of continuity of exhibits and there will have to be some sort of handover document to the admin staff which involves more paperwork.

And then if that frees that officer up - they get sent to the next job - do they get another set of admin assistants for that one?

Not sure how it will effectively work in policing?

It sounds really hard. No wonder you are fed up x

See this is where a new report that rules people up is just so irrelevant to the grass roots cops on the ground .

I can bet that Felix and I don't work for the same force - and yet our experiences are so far removed from that report it's almost unrealistic. Everyone gets frothing about the "woke" police when in reality we don't have rainbow cars or lanyards , or stonewall training ,

This is our reality. Nothing like that report or media portrayals.
That's why I get so frustrated - people believe all this propaganda because a report says so - but it seems that for both Felix and I it bears no resemblance to our jobs . It just causes more hatred toward the people who are trying to protect people. I just can't do it anymore. I used to love my job so much . The sense of fulfilment I got when seeing a victim of years of dv start a new life , put the baddies behind bars, talk the suicidal person off a bridge , the things that matter .

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Type on this damn phone but you get the jist

But I did get very invested in my cases and sometimes I felt that if id handed some of my jobs over to someone else I wouldn't have got the results I did . That's maybe why I burned out.

Oh, I could have written this myself, @stillvicarinatutu. I understand what you say and I fought it. I was so reluctant because I thought I could do it better. Eventually I was instructed to hand paperwork over. And really there were tons of benefits. Cases were put together in a set format which meant they were much easier to assess. The admin staff doing them soon picked up on the best ways to lay things out and structure things, without changing any evidence. It took time to gain confidence in them but it was well worth it. And at the end of it, you still had oversight so if you don't like something, you could have it changed.
I still had strong feelings about all my cases. They were mine and I'd invested my time and emotions and that never left. But because of that constant stress, I still had a nervous breakdown and had to leave. So it probably wouldn't have made any difference to you over that, sorry to say.

@Felix125 No, your admin staff don't come with you! What would be the point? They're office based.
You investigate and hand them the details and they write it all up, and fill the forms and send it off. Lots of what you do can be done by someone else. You can do and send a verbal statement quicker than going back to the office, getting a coffee, switching on your computer, etc. They can transcribe and put together the file.
It seems easier to do it yourself initially but once it you get used to it, you can really see the benefits. It's not, though. 😄 But it does give you time to be in the community.

Sorry. It's not PERFECT, though!!!!

I think was starting to be trialled in my force with one district.

As you say - not perfect- especially if you have a "red" case on nights because the police admin staff could not be made to work nights - and guess when you have most lock ups ! I'd try anything that freed us up though .

@Felix125
Admin staff.......?
No - we do it all on our own.
And we have to sit and trawl through hours of CCTV - and then sit through it all again to download it to a file - and then sit through it all again to redact it all. And do the same with all the body worn videos, all the un-used material - the list go's on - and we have to find some time to do it whilst trying to get to other emergencies coming in.

See, this is just poor handling of your time by mgt. Jobs like this can be done by admin staff for a much lower cost, releasing you to do the job you're paid a higher rate for. It doesn't make financial sense.

I think the problem is, @stillvicarinatutu, that wherever you have such public interfacing jobs, if you know what I mean, there's more opportunity for systems to fall down, especially as personalities come into play. But if it saves each officer a few hours a week to do more policing work, I think there might be a benefit in it. (And it is very nice to send your stuff off to someone else to sort instead of it hanging over your head.)

I'd be more than willing to try that but as Felix said - you then free for next job - your next job is a lock up - are there gonna be more admin staff for that one too ? If you've a shift of 18 cops , and ok let's write at least 12 of them off dealing with prisoners, scene sitting, hospital sitting , so on a good day that leaves 6 cops to respond - that's just the day shift - and say 3 of those 6 get kicked ups , 2 admin staff are soon gonna get pretty snowed under ? Then the afters come on and we all know that's the busiest shift - what time do the admin staff clock off ? Do we have 2 per shift ? What happens on nights ? How could we make this work ?

OK. Admin staff work in the office. They don't go with you. You investigate the case. They do all your office based paperwork.

I get it but say we go out again , get another arrest, who does that lot of paperwork?

I get it but say we go out again , get another arrest, who does that lot of paperwork?

It doesn't make any difference to you. Each separate arrest is a separate case. You're not assigned a one to one admin person. Think of them like a typing pool. They just get allotted the cases as they arrive. The work they produce is standard across the force - in my case region. So it's immaterial who processes it really.

I have a question:

if police are sent to investigate mild criticisms/ridicule of trans on social media (see Harry, police check on his thinking). Then why aren't police sent to investigate truly vicious threats of rape and death on women?

I get that police services are under strain.

But why is there manpower available to, e.g. gang up with harassers against lesbians, go and check people's thinking, arrest and detain a woman for stickering?

Shouldn't the police be focused on proper crimes, rather than hurt feelings of a sacred caste of men?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-62766240

Anyone want to discuss this ? I'm not in the met . Thank fuck